Author: Marcus Kaestner
Date: 14:53:57 11/07/00
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hi sandro, >>me also. so we have different opinions. so what is your explanation? >>the reason is, that shredder is 200 elo better? > >I never said this. >I do not say my opinion because I am too involved and people would complain no >matter what I say. don´t care about that. i´m also involved. but that does not prevent me from saying what i think and what i know. >I can only tell you sincerely what my indipendent tester (which tell me only >what they believe on, no matter if I like it or not. This is what I am expecting >from them.) told me. >They believe that the latest version is 100 points stronger than Fritz 6a. >I do not add anything and I do not make any comments a part from reporting it. >I can only specify that this statement was made on the chess engine and not >considering the book. Just to let you know that I am not trying to keep merits >on this. >Of course, you are free to believe it or not. didn´t you realize that a made the same statement about a month ago? at that time people named me a dreamer and a liar and i´m not able to know, and so on.... the same as these days. i was right at that time, and i´m right these days. yes, the new shredder was and is about 100 elo stronger than the last generation of chess-engines. here we are in full agreement. but shredder is not stronger than the new generation of chess engines. the others (especially christophe theron) have made the same jump and some even a higher one. > >>that´s the reason why he is successful in tournaments? >>or luck? did shredder have always luck? > >No, the luck cannot be always on one side. Everybody knows this so there must be >other reasons. I won't tell you. Why don't we let the people that will buy the >new program tell us in this forum? >The program has "some features" that make it more likely to score very well in >tournaments not loosing games and winning the one it can win... >I believe this is not easy and I must congratulate may-self with Stefan for >this. In fact I was quite impressed for these features. have you seen that my questions were ironically? maybe you are not aware that i have very much knowledge about shredder because last year in paderborn stefan and i worked together for the title. and we were as successful as you two this year. >>>>others like fritz or tiger are not coming into lost positions, but give away >>>>half points against "weak" opponents. >>> >>>I do not agree. If Fritz 6 is no. 1 in the SSDF list it is mainly because it is >>>scoring so well against weaker opponents. no, he is number one because he is winning nearly every combat. if you do not loose, but making many draws and winning a few games then you will win any combat. and you gain elo from the strong opponents not from the weak ones. >> >>ahhh! >>and that is also the reason why fritz is missing every tournament victory >>because his draw-rate is so very high. > >Well in a few games tournament one more draw can be important in one way or >another, but strong programs should be able to win the won games. >Don't you think so? in principle yes. but you can be strong AND miss half points. these programs are good on long runs because they sometimes are missing the win, but very seldom are loosing a game. others are strong but do NOT missing half points (but have more losses on the long run). and these guys regularely win short tournaments while the others are on top in sweden (fritz, tiger). >> >>hahaha, very funny. what do you know what i know and what not? > >I know what I know and what I don't know. What about you? the same. but you can´t know what i know and i can´t know what you know! > >>are you sleeping under my bed? > >No, sorry but I like only nice looking womens. (I am old fashion Italian...) hahahaha, then you should IMMEDIATELY swap to the chessbits site and download the video of the most beautiful sicilian woman i´ve ever seen: http://mitglied.tripod.de/ChessBits/index.html >> >>>> >>>>in the gambit version, with a more deadly style, he has immediately won two >>>>tournaments out of two, even he is not equal strong to the normal version. >>> >>>This is only an opinion. Your opinion. >> >>no, sir. this is not only my opinion. > >Maybe someothers opinions too, but what is important are facts and not opinions. >Do you agree? yes, i agree. and fact is, that gambit tiger participated in two tournaments and won both of them, while the normal tiger (though better on the long run) so often participated and hardly won a tournament. the reason is only the style. >>do you mean i should say: "shredder is successful intournaments because he is >>200-300 elo above the rest!" do you really want me to publish such a nonsense? > >No of course. >I respect your opinion like everybody's opinion, but if I do not agree I simply >say it. of course. that is why discussions are alive. otherwise no discussion would arise. >From my point of view I am willing to shake your hands if we meet each other. of course me too! i would be pleased to shake your hands. i always loved your former m-chess books. and wish you the same success with the new shredder book. i have no problems with different opinions and i like all computerchess-lovers, because we all are freaks. be sure, that i´m not a nasty guy. the only thing i hate are lies about my person or about other things. marcus
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