Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 15:18:24 11/07/00
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On November 07, 2000 at 17:53:57, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >hi sandro, Hi Marcus, > >>>me also. so we have different opinions. so what is your explanation? >>>the reason is, that shredder is 200 elo better? >> >>I never said this. >>I do not say my opinion because I am too involved and people would complain no >>matter what I say. > >don´t care about that. i´m also involved. but that does not prevent me from >saying what i think and what i know. I agree with you. > >>I can only tell you sincerely what my indipendent tester (which tell me only >>what they believe on, no matter if I like it or not. This is what I am expecting >>from them.) told me. >>They believe that the latest version is 100 points stronger than Fritz 6a. >>I do not add anything and I do not make any comments a part from reporting it. >>I can only specify that this statement was made on the chess engine and not >>considering the book. Just to let you know that I am not trying to keep merits >>on this. >>Of course, you are free to believe it or not. > >didn´t you realize that a made the same statement about a month ago? >at that time people named me a dreamer and a liar and i´m not able to know, and >so on.... Yes, I know and I did not made any comment on your comments. > >the same as these days. > >i was right at that time, and i´m right these days. I hope you are not right when you say that Chess Tiger is strong, but if it happens we can only start thinking how we can do better. Well, I think that the new Shredder 5.0, running on a 1 GHz Athlon Thunderbird, like my computers, should be 2700 Elo points strong against human players at tournament time controls. I think this is a real achivement. Do you agree? > >yes, the new shredder was and is about 100 elo stronger than the last generation >of chess-engines. here we are in full agreement. but shredder is not stronger >than the new generation of chess engines. the others (especially christophe >theron) have made the same jump and some even a higher one. Well, I hope you are wrong in this case, but I have no data to tell my opinion about this. > >> >>>that´s the reason why he is successful in tournaments? >>>or luck? did shredder have always luck? >> >>No, the luck cannot be always on one side. Everybody knows this so there must be >>other reasons. I won't tell you. Why don't we let the people that will buy the >>new program tell us in this forum? >>The program has "some features" that make it more likely to score very well in >>tournaments not loosing games and winning the one it can win... >>I believe this is not easy and I must congratulate may-self with Stefan for >>this. In fact I was quite impressed for these features. > >have you seen that my questions were ironically? Yes, I like to joke a little. >maybe you are not aware that i have very much knowledge about shredder because >last year in paderborn stefan and i worked together for the title. and we were >as successful as you two this year. I know it. > >>>>>others like fritz or tiger are not coming into lost positions, but give away >>>>>half points against "weak" opponents. >>>> >>>>I do not agree. If Fritz 6 is no. 1 in the SSDF list it is mainly because it is >>>>scoring so well against weaker opponents. > >no, he is number one because he is winning nearly every combat. if you do not >loose, but making many draws and winning a few games then you will win any >combat. and you gain elo from the strong opponents not from the weak ones. Yes, but if you score very well against weaker opponents you get a better score at the end while on the opposite you loose more points. > >>> >>>ahhh! >>>and that is also the reason why fritz is missing every tournament victory >>>because his draw-rate is so very high. >> >>Well in a few games tournament one more draw can be important in one way or >>another, but strong programs should be able to win the won games. >>Don't you think so? > >in principle yes. but you can be strong AND miss half points. these programs are >good on long runs because they sometimes are missing the win, but very seldom >are loosing a game. >others are strong but do NOT missing half points (but have more losses on the >long run). and these guys regularely win short tournaments while the others are >on top in sweden (fritz, tiger). > >>> >>>hahaha, very funny. what do you know what i know and what not? >> >>I know what I know and what I don't know. What about you? > >the same. but you can´t know what i know and i can´t know what you know! > >> >>>are you sleeping under my bed? >> >>No, sorry but I like only nice looking womens. (I am old fashion Italian...) > >hahahaha, then you should IMMEDIATELY swap to the chessbits site and download >the video of the most beautiful sicilian woman i´ve ever seen: > >http://mitglied.tripod.de/ChessBits/index.html Thanks a lot! > >>> >>>>> >>>>>in the gambit version, with a more deadly style, he has immediately won two >>>>>tournaments out of two, even he is not equal strong to the normal version. >>>> >>>>This is only an opinion. Your opinion. >>> >>>no, sir. this is not only my opinion. >> >>Maybe someothers opinions too, but what is important are facts and not opinions. >>Do you agree? > >yes, i agree. and fact is, that gambit tiger participated in two tournaments and >won both of them, while the normal tiger (though better on the long run) so >often participated and hardly won a tournament. the reason is only the style. > >>>do you mean i should say: "shredder is successful intournaments because he is >>>200-300 elo above the rest!" do you really want me to publish such a nonsense? >> >>No of course. >>I respect your opinion like everybody's opinion, but if I do not agree I simply >>say it. > >of course. that is why discussions are alive. Yes. >otherwise no discussion would arise. Yes. > >>From my point of view I am willing to shake your hands if we meet each other. > >of course me too! i would be pleased to shake your hands. i always loved your >former m-chess books. and wish you the same success with the new shredder book. Thanks. > >i have no problems with different opinions and i like all computerchess-lovers, >because we all are freaks. I do too. > >be sure, that i´m not a nasty guy. I believe you. > >the only thing i hate are lies about my person or about other things. I do the same, so we can be friends. > >marcus Sandro
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