Author: Joe Besogn
Date: 04:32:19 11/08/00
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On November 07, 2000 at 11:40:39, Fernando Villegas wrote: >Well, I commit all the time all kind of mistakes and sins, but this one, >chessistic one, I think I do not. At least no on purpose and sin exist if it is >commited on purpose. >Respect Kuhn vision, I disagree with such extreme point of view. I agree with >him and you that in the realm of Being many kinds of worlds can be constructed, >but I still think that any of them or at least many of them stay and function >over a common ground that even if we cannot grasp as such, nonetheless it exist. >No matter what a member of a culture thinks about the usefulness of bow and >arrows as ultimate weapon, it is less efective than a nuke. Different degres os >science are behind both of them and one is certainly more powerful. No matter >what you believe about the gods behind climatic conditions, a scientific vision >knows better about that. In fact relativism supposes something absolute respect >to which there are relatives things. Kuhn did later modify his relativism. So you and he can agree, still !! Of course, your nukes vs arrows example has been challenged elsewhere. I won't waste your time with references to sling-shots vs. tanks or arrows against nukes, since you can no doubt think up the historical references yourself. Bigger often means better (as in the nukes), but not always. Progress often means climbing the hill, but not always. There might be other hills, higher than the one you're on now. Whether or not there is an ultimate hill, who knows? Kuhn likened his theory to Darwin's. A sort-of leaving behind of things, but not knowing where you're going, as normal-science punctuated by intellectual violent revolutions meanders, almost randomly, over the ideas-surface. > We cannot grasp it as such, but it exist >and produces an effect in the sense than some of the parcial visions are more >fitted than others. If so, progress exist in the sense we get better and better >understanding of the world and greater capacity to handle it. But watch out to not be on the 'wrong' hill. So there is >objetivity after all. You can say there is not progress between Mozart music and >Stravinksy music, OK, but both of them are artifacts without any connection with >"reality". Values, of course, are relative in the same sense. I can even imagine >certain progress in arts if we consider as a factor of it an ibcresing >complexity. That, of course, does not involves nothing about the delight any >form or art can give to us. In this I accept hegelian point of view about arts >and his relationships. >Fernando
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