Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 18:24:48 11/08/00
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On November 08, 2000 at 12:36:59, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:
>On November 07, 2000 at 14:53:51, Christophe Theron wrote:
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>>On November 07, 2000 at 12:25:35, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:
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>>>Based mainly on tournament results.
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>>So you base your judgement that Shredder is the best program on 9 games played
>>back in August???
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>Hi Christophe!
>You know very well it has been more than nine games, Shredder has won several
>tournaments in the last two years (it has just won CCT2). Of course it has been
>previous versions of Shredder, but I have no reason to believe Shredder 5 will
>be weaker.
If those previous versions were that superior, why don't we see them on top of
the SSDF list for example? Shredder 4 is currently number 4.
>>> I do not really pay attention to private
>>>testing.
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>>You don't need to, of course, if you believe that 9 games are enough to tell
>>which program is better.
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>One tournament is not enough, of course. Perhaps I should emphazise the plural
>in "tournament results".
>Even several tournaments are not enough to determine objectively with certainty
>which program is stronger, but they are enough to influence my own personal
>subjective opinion.
>Thousands of privately played games have little impact in my opinion. I hope my
>position is now clear.
What is the difference between tournaments and privately played games? Do you
think the SSDF games are privately played?
>>> I follow tournaments in which the authors are directly involved, like
>>>the ICCA tournaments, the IPCCC, the French championship (congratulations!), the
>>>Dutch open (congratulations again!), the Spanish championship (I have not heard
>>>from it in a long time, but I think you won the last one... congratulations!),
>>>and the CCT.
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>>So why don't you say that Gambit Tiger is the best program at this time?
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>It has won very convincingly two strong tournaments, and it ranks number two in
>my personal subjective list at this time. If it keeps winning important
>tournaments it will definitely replace Shredder in "my" number one spot. It is
>simply not yet there. But do not worry, I do not think my opinion influence a
>lot of people here.
>
>>BTW I wouldn't dare to say this myself based only on the few games of the French
>>and Dutch championship.
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>But as the Gambit-Tiger author you should be very careful with what you say
>about its strenght, I do not have that problem as I am not involved in the
>development of any chess program.
I am very careful with what I say about my program. For example, I would never
let somebody tell it is 100 elo points above Fritz6 without reacting...
Christophe
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