Author: Uri Blass
Date: 23:23:44 11/08/00
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On November 08, 2000 at 21:24:48, Christophe Theron wrote: >On November 08, 2000 at 12:36:59, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote: > >>On November 07, 2000 at 14:53:51, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On November 07, 2000 at 12:25:35, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Based mainly on tournament results. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>So you base your judgement that Shredder is the best program on 9 games played >>>back in August??? >>> >>> >>> >> >>Hi Christophe! >>You know very well it has been more than nine games, Shredder has won several >>tournaments in the last two years (it has just won CCT2). Of course it has been >>previous versions of Shredder, but I have no reason to believe Shredder 5 will >>be weaker. > > > >If those previous versions were that superior, why don't we see them on top of >the SSDF list for example? Shredder 4 is currently number 4. > > > > > >>>> I do not really pay attention to private >>>>testing. >>> >>> >>> >>>You don't need to, of course, if you believe that 9 games are enough to tell >>>which program is better. >>> >>> >>> >> >>One tournament is not enough, of course. Perhaps I should emphazise the plural >>in "tournament results". >>Even several tournaments are not enough to determine objectively with certainty >>which program is stronger, but they are enough to influence my own personal >>subjective opinion. >>Thousands of privately played games have little impact in my opinion. I hope my >>position is now clear. > > > > >What is the difference between tournaments and privately played games? Do you >think the SSDF games are privately played? > > > > > >>>> I follow tournaments in which the authors are directly involved, like >>>>the ICCA tournaments, the IPCCC, the French championship (congratulations!), the >>>>Dutch open (congratulations again!), the Spanish championship (I have not heard >>>>from it in a long time, but I think you won the last one... congratulations!), >>>>and the CCT. >>> >>> >>> >>>So why don't you say that Gambit Tiger is the best program at this time? >>> >> >>It has won very convincingly two strong tournaments, and it ranks number two in >>my personal subjective list at this time. If it keeps winning important >>tournaments it will definitely replace Shredder in "my" number one spot. It is >>simply not yet there. But do not worry, I do not think my opinion influence a >>lot of people here. >> >>>BTW I wouldn't dare to say this myself based only on the few games of the French >>>and Dutch championship. >>> >>> >> >>But as the Gambit-Tiger author you should be very careful with what you say >>about its strenght, I do not have that problem as I am not involved in the >>development of any chess program. > > > >I am very careful with what I say about my program. For example, I would never >let somebody tell it is 100 elo points above Fritz6 without reacting... > > > > > Christophe I hope that the people who claim that tiger is 100 elo better than fritz6a are wrong and it is more than 100 elo better. I understood that Marcus believes that shredder5 and tiger13 are close to be 100 elo better than Fritz6a in the ssdf list. I asked him by email about shredder5 and his prediction for shredder5 is 70-120 elo better He claims that tiger and shredder earn from time more than Fritz6a and that it is the reason for the information that suggest that tiger is clearly less than 100 elo better than fritz6a(this information is usually based on faster time control than the ssdf games). Uri
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