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Subject: Re: LCT II Fin4, Deep Thought, and Deep Blue (was Re: LCT II results...)

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 23:35:51 01/06/98

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On January 06, 1998 at 18:35:32, Jay Scott wrote:

>On January 06, 1998 at 17:30:40, Don Dailey wrote:
>>In
>>every way (except raw speed) the Deep Blue team is handicapped so you
>>can not expect them to compete with the highly tuned micro programs.

>This is not true. The hardware has one big advantage besides
>outrageous speed: it's parallel at the transistor level. You can
>get more evaluation function terms at each node by adding
>transistors, and adding transistors does not slow you down.


Hi Jay,

I consider this a speed issue too.   I concede the quantity issue,
they do more things and do them all faster.

>So a hardware chess machine has a different speed/knowledge
>tradeoff than a software chess program. Adding knowledge is
>cheap, at least until you use up your real estate, so it makes
>sense to add as much knowledge as you can. In software, adding
>knowledge almost always slows you down, so you have to be
>more careful. With as many devices as you can get on a chip
>nowadays, I imagine that its natural for chess hardware to have

>>So does Deep Blue suck?   In rating points per node searched, YES.
>
>Well, what about rating points per log nodes searched?

All parallel programs compare poorly to serial programs by this
criteria.

>I don't think we have enough information to judge how well
>the Deep Blue team did in exploiting their potential advantage
>in knowledge. Their development time was relatively short, as
>these things go, so perhaps not well. But on the other hand
>they had plenty of talent, and they're perfectly capable of
>coming up with good new ideas.

I agree on this too.  I think they probably felt a lot of
frustration during the whole ordeal but I'm just guessing.
Beating Kasparov must have been sweet for them.



- Don



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