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Subject: Re: LCT II Fin4, Deep Thought, and Deep Blue (was Re: LCT II results...)

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 11:20:05 01/07/98

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On January 07, 1998 at 06:24:02, Amir Ban wrote:

>On January 06, 1998 at 20:10:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>This I don't follow.  What micro has beaten a GM in 40/2?  In a match
>>of 40/2?  What micro has beaten as many GM's as DB in anything
>>blitz, where most micros do ok at times)...
>Are you joking ? This is happening all the time nowadays. I didn't
>count, but I think the most numbers of computer wins over GM's at full
>time come from Aegon. There's also Rebel-Yusupov, and I think I remember
>at least one time with Fritz  (Glek ?). My own contribution is Gofshtein
>(1994) and Kossashvili (1996). There are only several GM-computer games
>played each year, but the computers have decent percentages, which is
>not surprising since they are playing at the strong-IM/GM level
>Matches ? There weren't any. OK, there was Rebel-Yusupov, and
>Junior-J.Polgar (which I lost). These things don't happen because
>there's no money. The truth is that there was only one company that
>would put up a million dollars to drag the world champion to its back
>yard, and even it lost interest now. I know from experience that even a
>few thousand dollars is next to impossible to get. We are trying to
>organize a Polgar rematch without success for two years, and there are
>plans to organize a Junior-Alterman match which proceed smoothly until
>money is discussed.
>Most GM wins at non-blitz ? I have eight: Gofshtein, Bikhovsky, Har-Zvi
>(twice), Liss, Finkel, J.Polgar, Kossashvili, plus a few draws including

I wanted to respond to this one too.  I do believe Deep Blue is better
than all the micros's but I don't believe that the very best micros
are very far behind.   I think there are folks who believe Deep Blue
is thousands  of points stronger than the best micros but this seems
on the high side to me.   Their record is good, they consistantly place
somewhere near the top in every event they play in and they beat
in a short match.  All the real evidence (hard stuff not anecdotes and
2nd hand stories) puts them well above where everone else was a year
or two ago.  The latest match is more evidence that they are better,
I just wish it was more than 6 games.   My impression was that the
match was close (although for some reason it's being remembered as
a crushing win for Deep Blue) and it's not hard to believe that a top
micro MIGHT get a very short match to be close too.  I say MIGHT
because I believe it is less likely than Deep Blue doing it.

But there are those who will read this and assume I am putting Deep Blue
down (I guess because I'm not in the "Deep Blue is GOD" camp.)  I don't
understand this at all.    I am not a "deep blue sucks" guy and I don't
want to be cast this way.  I don't want to be on either side and that's
my story (and I'm sticking with it.)

- Don

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