Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:11:35 11/10/00
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On November 10, 2000 at 10:40:36, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On November 10, 2000 at 10:27:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>CSTal2.03: d8 88" +1.16 Qg5 b6 Bxb6 Rf8 Bc5 Rf6 Bg6 Qxa3 >>>Shredder4: d11/23 1'23" +1.07 Qe7 e5 Rh4 d4 fxe5 Qc3 ... >>>Gandalf4: d9 ~ 1' +0.86 Bg6 e5 Rg3 Qd2 Rxe5 Qc1+ Kg2 >>>Hiarcs7.32: d9/27 1'11" +1.84 Qe7 e5 Rg3 exf4 Rg2 >>>Fritz6: d11/34 1'44" +0.72 Qe7 e5 Rh4 d4 Qxe5 Bc6... >>>Junior6: d16 1'39" +1.06 Qe7 >>>CMaster6000:d3/8 1'46" +0.71 Qg5 Qd2 Qe5 Rc6 Bg6 > >>Note that except for CSTal, my eval pretty well agrees with the rest. At >>the 1+ minute mark, my score is about -1.0, which is right in line with the >>rest. I notice _nobody_ said +3.5. So I suppose I miss your point here. > > >?!?!? Can't you read ???? open you eyes before typing, please. > >CSTal says +1.16 in search 8 !! and hiarcs even said +1.84 ! > >and if you give these slow programs (hiarcs 40.000 NPS, cstal 13.000 NPS) >more time you get > >CSTal2.03: d10 1273" +3.33 Qe7 Kh7 Bf7 Qf6 Qxf6 gxf6 >Hiarcs7.32: d10/30 34'19" +2.41 Qe7 Kh7 > >thats exactly what gambit-tiger says much faster... > >gambit-tiger evaluates the same as cstal and hiarcs, just much faster >than those slower programs. > >do you see it now ? thank you. > >>So we are back to your old argument about CSTal? IE that it can reach >>won positions but it can't win them? This chain of reasoning doesn't leave >>me warm and fuzzy at all. > >????? > >i am NOT back to my old point. when cstal is not winning the won positions >because it gets outsearched, like hiarcs is outsearched in the moment >by most programs, it can easily change tomorrow by giving them faster >hardware or new search algorithms. I believe that hiarcs is not outsearch by crafty. The opposite is correct Hiarcs see big evaluation for white because it outsearches Crafty inspite of searching less nodes because it knows to extend the correct lines better. My Junior5.9 can also outsearch Crafty. If I give it enough time(about 40 minutes on slow p200) it can see the line 39.Qe7 Qf6 as the main line because it understand that 39.Qe7 e5 is losing by search. It is not because Junior searches more nodes per seconds because crafty with the same number of nodes is not going to see it. Crafty is simply weaker in tactics relative to Junior in this position. Crafty cannot see the problem in reasonable time even after 39.Qe7 e5 Rg3 and I guess that it needs some minutes to fail low in Bob's machine inspite of the fact that I gave it an advantage of 3 plies relative to Junior. Uri
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