Author: John Merlino
Date: 10:05:49 11/11/00
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On November 11, 2000 at 08:31:48, Chessfun wrote: >On November 10, 2000 at 23:28:08, John Merlino wrote: > >>On November 10, 2000 at 20:51:03, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On November 10, 2000 at 14:54:36, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On November 10, 2000 at 05:49:58, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 10, 2000 at 01:24:38, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 09, 2000 at 20:39:27, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 09, 2000 at 08:33:32, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know the following things: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is Rebel Tiger 13 winboard compatible? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Since Chessmaster 8000 is winboard compatible, secondary time control features >>>>>>>>>are avaiable right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yes Rebel Tiger is winboard compatitble. In fact, I have close to 25 engines >>>>>>>>currently in the ChessPartner interface ( Same interface as Rebel Tiger ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is kinda misleading as Daniel wants to know if he can play both these >>>>>>>programs automatically. To which the answer is no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You will neither be able to run CM8K inside of Rebel (CP5) nor run ChessTiger >>>>>>>13.0 inside of the CM8K. In both cases neither program has a winboard engine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In the case of both programs you can run a winboard engine. In the case of the >>>>>>>CM apparently you will be able to play CM v a Winboard eng. In the case of >>>>>>>ChessTiger you will not be able to as it will only load one engine alone. You >>>>>>>will not be able in CP5 Interface to play say ChessTiger 13.0 v a winboard eng. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This may be possible using A232 on a single computer connected to 2 com ports >>>>>>>and running two instances of the program however I myself have not tried it to >>>>>>>confirm this can be done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Lastly trying to run automatically ChessTiger 13.0 v CM8K on a single computer >>>>>>>automatically through two com ports will not work as the CM don't support >>>>>>>auto232. Therefore it can only be done manually. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sarah. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Remi Coulom has written a program that disguise itself as a Winboard engine but >>>>>>actually is just an open port to a distant engine thru Auto232. >>>>>> >>>>>>By using this "engine" in CM8000, it is maybe possible to make it artificially >>>>>>compatible with Auto232. >>>>>> >>>>>>And one can even dream that it could work on one computer with COM1 connected to >>>>>>COM2, and would allow CM8000 to play against Tiger13 on one computer. >>>>>> >>>>>>At least it is worth a good try... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Christophe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You are correct. Attempts will be made to try to autoplay the CM. >>>>>Another possibility is through the internet or using Ebbi's autoplayer. >>>>> >>>>>Both Remi's and Ebbi's made it possible to auto232 Winboard and other >>>>>programs which were not designed to comply with auto232. >>>>> >>>>>I never mentioned it at this point as with even CM7K I'm not sure what >>>>>the actual engine file is called as it don't appear as clearcut as with >>>>>other programs. >>>>> >>>>>Sarah. >>>> >>>>Prior to CM8000, the engine did not exist as a separate file. It was given to >>>>the development team as a "lib" file that was statically linked into the >>>>Chessmaster EXE file. That is why you couldn't find "the engine file". >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>>John, >>> Does that mean I will be able to find an engine file in CM8K. >>>Assuming yes then the possibilites of autoplaying are very good !!. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >>Since everything is WinBoard in CM8K, there is a separate engine file now, and >>it is called "The King.exe". However, there is quite a bit of security code to >>ensure that the engine program is not used outside Chessmaster. I don't know if >>the auto232 program needs to be "in control" or if it, as someone has suggested, >>can be imported as a "personality". This all remains to be seen, but I'm keeping >>my hopes up that one of you more intelligent and persistent folks will figure it >>out. >> >>jm > > >I think it'll work as the a232 don't need to remove the file from >it's original directory. > >If it is possible I will get it running in my current 60/3 tourney. >This assumes I can get it within a week or so. Typically here I would >pick up something like CM at EB http://www.ebworld.com/ebx/default.asp >where it says it is available as a new release today !!. > >I'll phone the local store and see if/when they will have it. > >Sarah. Actually, when I said that it couldn't be used "outside Chessmaster", I meant that Chessmaster had to be running and communicating directly with "The King" program for it to work. Otherwise it will, as far as I can recall, perform a search of 1K positions and return a pretty much random legal move "immediately". This, of course, will be easily noticeable. Perhaps you might be able to get communication to work with the auto232 program AT THE SAME TIME as it is communicating with Chessmaster, but there may be some other "bookkeeping" that you will need to do that will prevent you from just letting the games play themselves without the need for human intervention with every move. Best of Luck! jm
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