Author: Alvaro Polo
Date: 00:31:43 11/12/00
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On November 11, 2000 at 08:45:56, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On November 11, 2000 at 01:23:30, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>Come to think of it, I've never seen you there. Perhaps when Germany gets its >>phone rates figured out you can go there and chat with people. > >right. when we all have this flat-rate stuff, the situation changes. >we have the german telecom, and they still have the monopol over the phone- >cables that are (in germany) in the ground. >but i think i read next year they will not be monopolist anymore, there seems >to be a change in law. > >>I don't know why you react this way because of the US election. > >sometimes we europeans get the feeling that whole america is not >real but a soap-opera, a kind of mega southfork-ranch. >we see many JR-Ewings, many Bobs and Pamelas. > >>Our states have a lot of power in our governmental system, because the country >>was first organized as a series of colonies. > >right. we had the same here. the main problem was that it was monarchy or >feudalism. and a small group controlled the poor people who had to work >for the rich ones. colonies are not much better. >they are outposts of a society, but they forget that country is not their >country but of the indians. > >the colonialists took the land from the indians. you cannot call this FAIR >or democratic. > >>The colonies combined in order to >>fight England, but there wasn't a strong central government for some time after >>that war ended, and the states maintained quite a bit of power after that. >>Our constitution provides for a two-tiered electoral process. We vote for a >>president, but what we are really voting for is electors, who are people who >>vote the way we tell them to. Each state gets a certain number of electors and >>it's winner take all. > >yes - not that we don't understand. but - as it looks in the moment, >gore and bush have diametral ideals. and very different people elect >bush or gore. it seems a great group of people in america have elected >gore, another big group of people elected bush. >america is split into 2 big groups. > >>It just so happens that the election was close, so Florida's electors will >>decide the issue, and the vote in Florida was extrmely close. > > >>I don't see why this is something that.anyone would think is defective or funny. > > >maybe you have to live in europe to find it amusing. >in fact, we all find it amusing here. all my friends and family >we all watch news and ask ourselves: do they NOW know who was winning ? > >> It's an election, sometimes they are close. An obvious alternative is not to >>have elections, but we are attached to them here. > >you count the votes. if you have to RECOUNT than this indicates that you before >did not count ACCURATE enough. this is not good for a democracy when >there are doubts or when it can be doubted that the counting-process was not >democratic and controlled. > >that is what makes the people laugh. because they thought you have a democracy >and now you have to recount again and again and again and more complains >and more recalibrations and more new votes to count and even more complains. >it gets a never ending story. > > >>I think your attitude about the US is strange. > >in many newspapers US was called: banana-republic. > I am not aware of any serious spanish newspaper where US was called this way. > >>You'd probably react the same >>way if I developed a Nazi fixation which caused me to bring this particular >>topic up every time Germany is mentioned. > >no. in fact i had many many talks where i warned foreign people that >nazi stuff can come back if we don't fight against those few people trying >to bring it back. > > >you are right concerning USA and me, i am prejudiced. it has not changed yet. >what a pity. >sorry. > > >> I'm sure it'd be really funny if I >>kept doing this amongst my friends, assuming they had a problem with Germans, >>which they don't. But this crowd is international, and when you do this you >>just sound narrow, and I wonder if you've done sufficient travelling. > >:-))) i was 10 times austria, 25 times spain, often in france, 4 times britain, >north-africa, italy, netherlands, jugoslavia, .... > > >>Perhaps Europeans are more anti-American than Americans are anti-European. I'd >>like to think not. As far as I can tell, it is just european who are jealous or have a huge amount of socialist ideology who despise US this way. It is not a general european tendency. In Europe culture is older than in the US and perhaps some european people like to feel themselves superior bashing the US, but generally speaking they are not very cultivated people. Alvaro > >:-))) i don't like america for certain reasons. we should not discuss it here. > >>bruce
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