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Subject: Re: Singular extensions

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 08:45:51 01/09/98

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On January 09, 1998 at 08:51:07, Amir Ban wrote:

>On January 08, 1998 at 20:00:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone else get a real mate here in reasonable time?  I've been
>>checking
>>extensions and none seem to be "out of control"..  However, this has
>>been *the*
>>hard problem for Crafty for a couple of years, so at least it now finds
>>the
>>right move fairly quickly...
>
>On P5/133 I see Qxf4 after 28 sec. and mate in 6 after 84 sec.
>
>Why are singular extensions supposed to be important here ?
>
>Amir

This is a position where white goes down big material then wins without
any checking moves.  He makes a series of moves that threaten mate, and
black can do something about all of them except the last one, although
at the end he's having to throw away material.

A critical line for computers would be Qxf4 Bxf4 Rxh5 gxh5 Rxh5 Bh6 Rxh6
Qg3+ Kxg3 and white is ahead material.  I might be slightly wrong about
this line, I'm doing it from memory, but you get the idea.

This problem has always been hard for my program for some reason, and
Bob has the same problem.

Interestingly, Fritz gets it pretty quickly.  You'd think that Fritz
would have bad null move problems here, but it doesn't.

To some other programs this position is no problem at all.  Vincent's
program gets this in 3 plies, for instance.

I had always assumed that other programs solved it with a mate threat
extension, but perhaps there are other ways.

Genius solves this problem instantaneously, and I was wondering if it
might have something to do with this rumored singular extension thing.

It takes mine 14 seconds on a P6/200 to find Qxf4, and I do it with a
mate extension.  How do you do it?

bruce



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