Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 04:49:15 11/14/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 06:36:54, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 04:49:02, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On November 13, 2000 at 14:35:50, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>Seems the GM/IM players can not hold the computers at Game/hour an more. Deep >>>Junior & Deep Fritz both won their game today. >> >> >>I would not be so sure. The trouble with that assessment is the players involved >>do not know how to play effectvely against computers. I would not be surprised >>if there are savvy players below master level that can beat "strong" computer >>programs at game/60. Take for example the following player on ICC: >> >> >> >>Information about rabid (Last disconnected Mon Nov 13 2000 12:28): >> >> rating [need] win loss draw total best >>Wild 1717 [6] 12 27 0 39 1740 (13-Dec-1997) >>Bullet 2722 [8] 232 2564 188 2984 2739 (06-Oct-2000) >>Blitz 2346 336 3159 265 3760 2760 (05-Aug-2000) >>Standard 2157 [6] 10 49 6 65 2231 (28-Feb-1998) >> >> 1: I like to play computers especially crafty clones >> 2: This inflates my rating > >I see from the statistics that this guy is losing most of the games that he >plays. > >The fact that playing against computers inflate its rating prove nothing. > >Reasons: >1)playing against players that are more than 400 elo better than you will always >inflate your rating because of the simple reason that you cannot lose rating >against them. Unfortunately, computer programs don't have the same excuse with mlbernstein. >I can guess from the statistics that it is possible that this guy plays against >Crafty clones who are more than 400 elo better than him. > > >2)It is also not fair to play against crafty clones because you can play against >your opponents at home when your opponent have no idea about the games and later >repeat the games. Why is that not fair? A weakness is a weakness. Besides, if it is so easy, everyone would do it. A 2100 rated has the advantage of studying all of the Kasparov's games and therefore they should be able to play very effectively against him? I don't believe it. Besides, you're overestimating how much effort these guys put in to try to beat these programs. These programs are not so strong. >I will also have an advantage if I can train against you when you have no ideas >about the games. I don't understand this last statement. How do propose to accomplish that? > >We need to see people who like to play against programs like Ferret in order to >know because they cannot play against Ferret when Ferret has no idea about the >games. > >Uri
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