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Subject: Re: Computer sweep at KC today.

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 04:49:15 11/14/00

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On November 14, 2000 at 06:36:54, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 14, 2000 at 04:49:02, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On November 13, 2000 at 14:35:50, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>Seems the GM/IM players can not hold the computers at Game/hour an more.  Deep
>>>Junior & Deep Fritz both won their game today.
>>
>>
>>I would not be so sure. The trouble with that assessment is the players involved
>>do not know how to play effectvely against computers. I would not be surprised
>>if there are savvy players below master level that can beat "strong" computer
>>programs at game/60. Take for example the following player on ICC:
>>
>>
>>
>>Information about rabid (Last disconnected Mon Nov 13 2000 12:28):
>>
>>          rating [need] win  loss  draw total   best
>>Wild        1717  [6]    12    27     0    39   1740 (13-Dec-1997)
>>Bullet      2722  [8]   232  2564   188  2984   2739 (06-Oct-2000)
>>Blitz       2346        336  3159   265  3760   2760 (05-Aug-2000)
>>Standard    2157  [6]    10    49     6    65   2231 (28-Feb-1998)
>>
>> 1: I like to play computers especially crafty clones
>> 2: This inflates my rating
>
>I see from the statistics that this guy is losing most of the games that he
>plays.
>
>The fact that playing against computers inflate its rating prove nothing.
>
>Reasons:
>1)playing against players that are more than 400 elo better than you will always
>inflate your rating because of the simple reason that you cannot lose rating
>against them.


Unfortunately, computer programs don't have the same excuse with mlbernstein.


>I can guess from the statistics that it is possible that this guy plays against
>Crafty clones who are more than 400 elo better than him.
>
>
>2)It is also not fair to play against crafty clones because you can play against
>your opponents at home when your opponent have no idea about the games and later
>repeat the games.


Why is that not fair? A weakness is a weakness. Besides, if it is so easy,
everyone would do it. A 2100 rated has the advantage of studying all of the
Kasparov's games and therefore they should be able to play very effectively
against him? I don't believe it. Besides, you're overestimating how much effort
these guys put in to try to beat these programs. These programs are not so
strong.


>I will also have an advantage if I can train against you when you have no ideas
>about the games.


I don't understand this last statement. How do propose to accomplish that?


>
>We need to see people who like to play against programs like Ferret in order to
>know because they cannot play against Ferret when Ferret has no idea about the
>games.
>
>Uri



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