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Subject: Re: Tiger makes Fritz better and better!!

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 11:52:15 11/14/00

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On November 14, 2000 at 14:45:47, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On November 14, 2000 at 13:34:16, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On November 14, 2000 at 12:30:08, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On November 14, 2000 at 11:52:43, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 14, 2000 at 11:05:16, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 14, 2000 at 07:22:58, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Enrique,
>>>>>
>>>>>Only one real tournament so far to prove who is 'better':
>>>>>
>>>>>Dutch Open 2000:
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Gambit Tiger 10 out of 11
>>>>>2. The King 8,5
>>>>>3. Quest (= Deep Fritz) 8,0
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeroen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, Gambit is not stronger than Deep Fritz. Besides, you don't even have Deep
>>>>>>Fritz, so your statement is based on nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But if you like talking about paradigms instead of "bean counting", you
>>>>>>shouldn't become a bean counter yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>
>>>>Hi Jeroen,
>>>>
>>>>you are wrong.  Quest was an experimental version of Fritz 7...  Deep Fritz is
>>>>different.  Besides, the number of the games renders any judgement about the
>>>>strength of the programs inconclusive.
>>>>
>>>>***  Djordje
>>>
>>>Not my logic. Rebel and Tiger were experimental programs to at the last
>>>WCCM. No reason to hide behind that.
>>>
>>>Furthermore (and nobody seems to notice?)... when was the last time
>>>Fritz won an important tournament? Fritz is great at SSDF, no doubt.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>>Come on... Fritz won the WCCC in Hong Kong. Which other programs since won a
>>WCCC except Junior and Shredder? Besides, the show off Deep Fritz - van der Wiel
>>a month ago and the current games at KC have some meaning too. And yes, Fritz
>>has been dominating the SSDF list for almost 3 years now. All together,
>>comp-comp and human-comp, is quite impressive.
>>
>>Enrique
>
>
>Hong Kong was 5 years ago.

So? In these 5 years only Shredder and Junior won a WCCC. Does it mean all the
other programs are not up to Shredder and Junior?

>Take the main important tournaments of the last 2-3 years and start
>counting the scores and make an overview. Tournaments: Thuringen,
>Paderborn, Debrecen, Dutch Open, WCC. What you get is a quite different
>list than the SSDF.
>
>Ed

So?

Ed, what's your point? What does it mean to you what you say above?

Enrique



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