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Subject: Re: Just another one of RebelTiger on ICC

Author: Mogens Larsen

Date: 12:05:06 11/14/00

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On November 14, 2000 at 14:14:22, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote:

>Yes, if I had my own program to operate, I would not distinguish between humans
>and computers when analyzing the games, but I guess there is a difference. Bob
>for example, would care as he prefers to play against the GM´s on ICC and
>analyzes those games with more interest then against computers. It depends on
>who is operating, but I guess most of the operators cares wheather it´s a human
>or a computer.

I think that is true if it's the programmer who operates the program or owns the
account, because it could diminish the value of the data significantly. Frankly,
I couldn't care less about the ordinary consumer. The main objective must be to
have fun with a program you've bought. That should be independent of whether
you're playing a human or a disguised computer.

>Advanced chess is interesting for sure, but I think you should tell your
>opponent before the game if you are about to use a program as a "coach".

That can be quite difficult if the programmer or operator isn't there, but
you're right in principle. But if you're not interested in a permanent computer
account then I don't see any problems in testing a new (or old) computer program
against a computer account for fun, doing as little harm as possible.

>Otherwise, your opponent thinks he´s playing against a human and that is wrong
>IMO. Mogens, what do you mean when you say you are against computer program
>"rights" in general ?

Basically I don't find that "cheating" against computer programs is in the same
league as cheating against a human being at all. Unless we're talking about
special circumstances, ie. programmers needing information from games against a
human player or something similar.

Playing advanced chess against a computer account is just as valid as buying the
latest software and hardware for the sole purpose of being the best account at
ICC. The latter option won't make you a better chess player. Maybe ICC should
contemplate making (AC) accounts as well, or remove the human accounts
altogether. No more cheating :o).

Mogens.



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