Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 13:03:08 11/14/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 14:52:15, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 14:45:47, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On November 14, 2000 at 13:34:16, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On November 14, 2000 at 12:30:08, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2000 at 11:52:43, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2000 at 11:05:16, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 14, 2000 at 07:22:58, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi Enrique, >>>>>> >>>>>>Only one real tournament so far to prove who is 'better': >>>>>> >>>>>>Dutch Open 2000: >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Gambit Tiger 10 out of 11 >>>>>>2. The King 8,5 >>>>>>3. Quest (= Deep Fritz) 8,0 >>>>>> >>>>>>Jeroen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>No, Gambit is not stronger than Deep Fritz. Besides, you don't even have Deep >>>>>>>Fritz, so your statement is based on nothing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But if you like talking about paradigms instead of "bean counting", you >>>>>>>shouldn't become a bean counter yourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enrique >>>>> >>>>>Hi Jeroen, >>>>> >>>>>you are wrong. Quest was an experimental version of Fritz 7... Deep Fritz is >>>>>different. Besides, the number of the games renders any judgement about the >>>>>strength of the programs inconclusive. >>>>> >>>>>*** Djordje >>>> >>>>Not my logic. Rebel and Tiger were experimental programs to at the last >>>>WCCM. No reason to hide behind that. >>>> >>>>Furthermore (and nobody seems to notice?)... when was the last time >>>>Fritz won an important tournament? Fritz is great at SSDF, no doubt. >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>Come on... Fritz won the WCCC in Hong Kong. Which other programs since won a >>>WCCC except Junior and Shredder? Besides, the show off Deep Fritz - van der Wiel >>>a month ago and the current games at KC have some meaning too. And yes, Fritz >>>has been dominating the SSDF list for almost 3 years now. All together, >>>comp-comp and human-comp, is quite impressive. >>> >>>Enrique >> >> >>Hong Kong was 5 years ago. > >So? In these 5 years only Shredder and Junior won a WCCC. Does it mean all the >other programs are not up to Shredder and Junior? > >>Take the main important tournaments of the last 2-3 years and start >>counting the scores and make an overview. Tournaments: Thuringen, >>Paderborn, Debrecen, Dutch Open, WCC. What you get is a quite different >>list than the SSDF. >> >>Ed > >So? > >Ed, what's your point? What does it mean to you what you say above? > >Enrique My point is of course between the lines as I am not the right person to talk about this issues. Let me say it this way, if you believe the SSDF list is the whole truth and nothing but the truth then Fritz has sound papers. If you believe in other data too than things are not so clear. Ed
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