Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:30:44 11/14/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 14:14:22, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 13:09:55, Mogens Larsen wrote: > >>On November 14, 2000 at 13:00:53, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote: >> >>>It´s a big deal because the program expects to play a human opponent and when >>>the person who is running the (C)(in this case Rebel Tiger) analyzes the games >>>played against humans, he will analyze this game too and import it to a database >>>with all human opponents. So, he will get wrong results.. Allthough, it´s just >>>one game but if everybody cheats, then the results against humans will be >>>completly worthless. IMO >> >>A good point if it's important to distinguish between human and computer >>opponents when analysing your games. However, a lost game is a lost game and >>should analysed due to that fact alone independent of the opposition. >> >>I'm still of the opinion that it's rather harmless to play "advanced" chess >>against a computer opponent compared to cheating against a human player. But >>maybe I'm just against the idea of computer program "rights" in general :o). >> >>Mogens. > >Yes, if I had my own program to operate, I would not distinguish between humans >and computers when analyzing the games, but I guess there is a difference. Bob >for example, would care as he prefers to play against the GM´s on ICC and >analyzes those games with more interest then against computers. It depends on >who is operating, but I guess most of the operators cares wheather it´s a human >or a computer. In general, on ICC, (with respect to book learning) I don't care about silicon vs carbon. I pay attention the _rating_. And a cheater can sure wreck this... ie he is rated 2500 but chooses to not use the computer and plays like an 1800 as a result. Or he is 1800 but uses a computer and plays like a 2500. If I take the ICC rating and factor that into the learning formula, I get wrong answers. I also want to know I am playing a computer as I am more cautious about setting the contempt factor. Against humans, the contempt is a function of their rating and Crafty's current ICC rating. Against computers, contempt=0, period, as doing anything else lets the opponent influence the game by fiddling with the contempt. > > >Advanced chess is interesting for sure, but I think you should tell your >opponent before the game if you are about to use a program as a "coach". >Otherwise, your opponent thinks he´s playing against a human and that is wrong >IMO. Mogens, what do you mean when you say you are against computer program >"rights" in general ? > >Alvaro
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