Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 16:37:17 11/14/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 16:59:28, Ed Schröder wrote: >I think your anti-monopoly attitude would forbid that. no. when it is good IMO, i say so. i will say: the program is good, but i don't like the methods of the company or the monopoly-behaviour of the company. if windows e.g. would be good from my point of view, i would say so. fritz e.g. gets stronger and stronger. and still it remains dump. it begins good but then the 0.00 stage will come and fritz loses in those moments. what shall i do with a program that is good but has ~ 0.00 scores in many situations that i cannot use it as analyzing instrument. for how long is this ~ 0.00 (-0.03, -0.06, +0.03 ...) behaviour in Fritz ? long long long. and it does not change. each year, each championship i sit there or watch fritz in internet and it says: draw ! when in fact the position is everything but NOT draw. funny ! this way fritz cannot make progress. because it does not know what happens on board. each championship. i can show you on video-tape ! i have the 0.00 score and wüllenwebers face and feists face and i do even ask them: whats this score on your screen. does fritz really believe it is a draw :-)))) and ferret says big score and the position looks dead against fritz and dump fritz ? of course matthias (no matter which one) is in bad mood. therefore i have this video-stuff. to document it. when my computerchess-friends are here, we take out the videos and we all watch. big fun. maybe one day i snip the best scenes and make a cd: fritz best moments ... very near but failed in the end :-))) what a pity that i had no video 1993 in munich when mark won ... >I had a good >look at F6 and then F6a and it clearly plays better positional chess >than previous versions. Have you not seen that? Come on... yes. but then comes draw-score and you see opponent programs makes fail-high or increases score. and fritz still sees nothing. how do you want to win this way. it is as if you drive car, 180 km/h and suddenly get blind !!!! you will lose this game and crah on the motorway ! good for us that things never change. i can imagine next championship: shredder says +0.87 and fritz9 experimental says 0.00 or -0.03 and has another black hole day. >Understood but you did not deny or confirm my above point and that >using Gambit Tiger to fight the bad boys from ChessBase is hurting >the good work Christophe has done as the discussion is now in a state >it might backfire badly on Christophe. i don't think so. gambit tiger IS different. the problem you have in the moment is that many people from the chessbase frontier make anti-rebel campaign. you know it. i know it. but we cannot name them. we would be thrown out of this club. i can tell you excactly who it is and also WHY. look, they waited until gambit-tiger is out. then they bought it. now they tune for the ssdf-list on many autoplayer systems against jeoens book. and they come out with shredder and november and fritz december and will have killer lines against jeroens book and rebel programs will lose in ssdf list. easy, isn't it ? the one coming first on the market loses the competition. you know that there will be many many big articles about new cb-products in computerschach and spiele. and you know they will write bad reviews about rebel, as they did in the past. shall i name the editions of computerschach and spiele where they wrote shit reviews about rebel programs ? thats the way it is. and THIS is the reason of my attacks against them. i have nothing against matthias' or fred. but i want a fair competition. and what happens here and elsewhere IS NOT FAIR. the american and foreign readers from non-german area don't know all this, because they have no sources, no ideas what happens. but you know and i know. we read the css and chessbits and europa-rochade and we know all the cb-advertising. also you know these guys from H+G times. and you know that they do not fight OPENLY. remember when you and christophe sat arround chess-tiger in paderborn and fred came and offert christophe IN FRONT OF YOU: do you want to sell your program to chessbase, mr. theron ? do you really believe he did not know ? he wanted to offend you, to provoke you. shit that i don't have this on tape. i have so many things on tape :-)) >Yes, becuase I know that this is not what you have in mind. i don't care all these many people here that are anonymous or jumping on people or or or. there have always been people like them. i can wait until they die or change hobby because they earned not enough in this business. i have no problems with them. i know: when you work with mark, you will have all people that are NOT in the company AGAINST you. so when you work with mark they will say: he is biased for hiarcs. if you work for/with stefan, they will say: oh - he is biased for shredder. i am thorsten saitek when i write about saitek leonardo maestro, i am thorsten novag when i write a good article about novag super-forte B/C. i am thorsten czubix when working with chris, suddenly i am paid by chris and and and. you have always GROUP-1 against you. with one = the guy you work with. and ?? thats normal. there will always stupid people. i don't care. they come and go. and if not, who counts. i will not stop computerchess. so ok. let them. in 10 years IMO nobody will remember what they said because its so silly. i have changed my opinion when it was important to do so. i liked chess-tiger although it was fast searcher. but it played good chess. i liked junior when it won my tournament. don't remember the version. fritz6b/a is better than fritz1-3. but - still the 0,00 is the main weakness in fritz. make a big red light on your screen, and in the moment fritz is in 0.00 stage/mode you can light it up and give red-alert and you will most often see: the game turns. this is IMO very boring. i cannot use such a tool. maybe others can. but i don't need such a useless tool that is suddenly blind. >In playing style, yes. there is a new idea in gambit-tiger. cstal uses it too. i guess others too. the accurate paradigm people don't understand this thing. they want to make chess precise and show that they have no clue what is new paradigm about. >Concerning strength I would like to stick to my pages: > "The Gambit Tiger is estimated in the range of +/- 20 elo points > in comparison with the Classic Tiger. Gambit Tiger is not claimed > to be much stronger than the Classic Tiger as too less data is > available at this moment. ok - as you want. IMO gambit-tiger is better but we will see what ssdf finds out when they test your programs against the tuned-killer-lines shredder5/fritz8 etc. you can only lose :-))) > What is clear is that Gambit Tiger plays an aggressive type of > Chess seldom seen by a chess program." right. >Ed
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