Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 04:59:30 11/15/00
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On November 15, 2000 at 01:18:22, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 17:25:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 14, 2000 at 15:08:50, Côme wrote: >> >>>On November 14, 2000 at 13:11:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2000 at 13:00:53, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2000 at 12:54:00, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 14, 2000 at 12:18:05, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>After move 18 there is _no_ improvement. I have no doubts about wicker-man being >>>>>>>a computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Being rated on ICC at 1800 is like being rated about 1400-1500 on FICS. There is >>>>>>>almost no possible way for that type player to beat todays programs. I would >>>>>>>inform speedtrap of his actions. >>>>>> >>>>>>That's a very speculative foundation for reporting another player. If he did the >>>>>>same against human opposition, his rating probably wouldn't be as low as it is. >>>>>>Besides, what's the big deal in cheating on a computer program. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mogens. >>>>> >>>>>It´s a big deal because the program expects to play a human opponent and when >>>>>the person who is running the (C)(in this case Rebel Tiger) analyzes the games >>>>>played against humans, he will analyze this game too and import it to a database >>>>>with all human opponents. So, he will get wrong results.. Allthough, it´s just >>>>>one game but if everybody cheats, then the results against humans will be >>>>>completly worthless. IMO >>>>> >>>>>Alvaro >>>> >>>> >>>>If you play 1800-level players on ICC, FICS or chess.net, this is just a fact >>>>of life. You _are_ going to play computer cheaters. There are far more >>>>cheaters at the lower ratings (there are also far more players down there too, >>>>of course). >>>> >>>>It is a huge problem... >>> >>>Hello ! >>>Wrong again I think. >>>How is it possible to have 1800 if you cheat with a computer ? >>>If you cheat you have a much higer rating. >>>Best Regards >>>Alexandre Côme >> >> >>Easy. 5 years ago, you would be correct. But high ratings now draw a lot of >>attention. You will find that there are just as many cheaters with low ratings >>as there are with high ratings. They just pick and choose who they cheat >>against. I have seen more than one such person get caught, where they >>were cheating in only an occasional game here and there. But the ICC guys >>try all the commercial programs in their analysis, and they found a 100% >>match between this cheater and one specific commercial program, but only in >>about 1 of every 4-5 games... >> >>He was playing 17-1800 players and playing reasonably close. He would >>occasionally play a 2100-2300 player and win easily. A pattern emerged... > >Why is this thread about cheating? Someone beats a computer and it's cheater >cheater cheater. > >And the guy's ICC name was featured in the original post, so he is being tarred >with this. Yes. It is definitely inappropriate. Such suspicions should be kept to oneself and not aired without strong evidence. > >The guy isn't a cheater. He's someone who played a decent attack against a >computer and it worked. > >I like to play against computers sometimes, and I would hate it if I had to deal >with a 100-response thread about how some people only cheat sometimes, about how >cheating is a huge problem, about how hard it is to detect cheaters, the mate in >7 nonsense, and so on. > >If this thread should be about anything, it should be about not letting the >opponent play f6 when there aren't any good defenders and the enemy queen is in >the vicinity. > >bruce
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