Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 15:13:46 11/15/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 20:36:19, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 20:24:14, Uri Blass wrote: >>This behaviour of 0.00 is also in other programs. > >i talk about middlegame. > >>If they want to tune for the ssdf list they need to tune for many opponents and >>not only for gambittiger. >> >>This is not called tuning. >>This is called improving. > >no. if they buy the opponent program just before THEY release their own >stuff, and test it out and melt the games into their opening >book i don't call this improving but cheating. >you don't understand how the list works. its enough to melt games >of the biggest enemy. > >the ssdf do not test playing strength but cheating-strength. > >>This is not so easy. >>If this is the case Ed and christophe can have a secret book when they will give >>the customers an upgrade some days after Fritz release their program. > >right. they can easily do so. will they. their only chance. > >>I also do not believe that they have killer lines in their opening book. > >its enough to melt in the won games opening lines. >nobody knows. >the only way to find out is by using same opening positions and then mirror >it exchanging the colors. if the result is much different, the book is tuned. > > >>There is no proof that playing from fixed positions give worse result for fritz >>and it is possible to test it. > >right. >you cannot prove in the moment. there is no new fritz. > >first program you could test would be shredder5. > >>For example it is possible to give chess programs the positions after 10 moves >>of kasparov-kramnik games and I believe that no program prepared for it. > >right. you could test it. but it would need time. >if time goes by, the customers have bought the ssdf-no.1 program so far >and have not enough money for the others. > >>Yes,so there is a fair competition in all the world except maybe one >>country(germany) > >take USA: is there a fair competition between microsoft >and the other software houses ??? > >and how much of this unfair stuff comes to europe (if not the press would >talk about it now) ?? > >and now turn it up: how much of the german market and the german computer chess >magazine is the american reader knowing ???? > > >>Uri I can firstly write what do you think my position is it is me against the intire chessworld. They never give a word of thanks and if I talk to them about the openinglines I fully anelyzed they simply start to ignore me Then they even start to be stupid over some lines the Kings Indian defense where I said that f5 was a seriously mistake in the line they gave after the Gligoric Ng4 variation next mistake was the line wich followed. Nice part about that line was that I had posted a line with Nf7 and also did send it to www.clubkasparov.ru and did get the coment that after f5 it did not hold the bischop away from h4-g5 there for Wich indeed could become a problem there fore I started to reanelyze the intire position and came up with a good Idea after g5 Ng6 Then about the fact that my anelyzes get used by chessprograms ofcourse I don't have anything against this cause it's reason why I did place them here in the first place. I only always bite on my thooth when the stopped before the most crucial moves Like I told you before what about my anelyzes of the berlin defense did Kasparov only take over the moves from the Junior book and forgot my anelyzes? for the record Berlin defense is 1-0 the idea of h3 g4 f5 wins the game after Bb2 Also chesstiger Junior6 do have anelyzes from me in their to a point where the program is totaly cleules actualy the same like Garry lol It is not for nothing I always made the anelyzes this deep (to point where the deepest idea was shown mostly to mate. The storry where you writting about is related to this for the chessworld. Because programs get tested against other program before they get released the program wich comes out later is not stronger only stronger against that program and not in realety. Like moves givven in the Fritz book are not corect related with my anelyzes then again I do have to say that they realy can make it in this way that most programs don't see the fault in the move order. Also schreder4 has anelyzes from me in it's book where it says that f4 (though no program will find this move)is not good after 1e4,c6 2.d4,d6 This is everything exept from the treuth even schreder4 does not agree on this point Just like after 1e4,e6 2d4,d6 3.Bd3 the best move is For the record I sorted this out against the botvinik personelety of Chessmaster 5000! This program played these moves for the first time Just like the Morphy personelety from the same program for the first time played the line wich is now the refute line of the Budapest gambit. Then we have the human computer games most of the time computer computer games are replayed well it is easy if you know in the for hand what the score will be for the game. Now in short goodmorning welkom to the world of chess It,s full of lies just resorted them Maybe the same reason why Fischer did get that angry You simply don't know what happened behin the curtains, Marc van Hal
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