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Subject: Re: K+Q vs. K: always mate in at least 8 moves?

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 10:28:10 11/16/00

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On November 16, 2000 at 03:12:13, Bill Gletsos wrote:

>On November 15, 2000 at 13:01:29, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On November 15, 2000 at 12:53:28, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>
>>>On November 15, 2000 at 12:20:30, Robert Ericsson wrote:
>>>
>>>>A friend of mine claims that the stronger side will, from any start position,
>>>>deliver a mate in at least 8 moves in a K+Q vs. K endgame.
>>>>
>>>>Is his claim correct? If not, how many moves would be the correct claim?
>>>>
>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>Robert
>>>
>>>I remember the following from long ago:
>>>
>>>From any start position, a mate can be accomplished in at most the following
>>>number of moves:
>>>
>>> KQ v K =  9 moves
>>> KR v K = 12 moves
>>>KBB v K = 20 moves
>>>KBN v K = 34 moves
>>>
>>>I don't recollect if the stronger side is on the move or the weaker.
>>>
>>>Also, the latest tablebases may have shed some light on the above numbers.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>You are quoting numbers produced by Ruben Fine in Basic Chess Endings, in at
>>least two of these cases (KQ vs K, and KBN vs K).
>>
>>The correct numbers are 10, 16, 19, and 33.
>>
>>bruce
>
>Bruce
>
>Your numbers are correct but according to Reuben Fine in Basic Chess Endings he
>gave the numbers as 10, 17, 18 and 34.
>
>Bill

Yes, and Fine is wrong.  Some people spend considerable time trying to find
mistakes in BCE, there are a lot to find.  There are three mistakes right there.

bruce




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