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Subject: Re: BOB

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 21:13:53 11/18/00

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On November 18, 2000 at 23:57:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 18, 2000 at 22:47:33, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On November 18, 2000 at 21:01:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 18, 2000 at 17:30:37, Garry Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 16:54:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 15:45:32, walter irvin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>if you had a cray super computer in your house , so your time would not be
>>>>>>limited .what kind of chess program would you create?? another Cray Blitz or
>>>>>>would it be more like crafty .Also if you played it on ICC what blitz rating
>>>>>>would you expect that you would get ? how many nps do you imagine you would get
>>>>>>if it were the 32 processor Cray ??? I think it would be about as interesting as
>>>>>>the second comming of deep blue .Also what do you think your chances to be world
>>>>>>champion with that beast be??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The program would be a hybrid approach.  To run fast on the Cray requires
>>>>>a lot of vectorization throughout the program.  Bitmaps are cute, but they
>>>>>don't run fast on a Cray without some vector stuff as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>NPS?  CB could do 7M.  Crafty should be able to do the same.  It would
>>>>>be tough... but it wouldn't be Deep Blue by any stretch.
>>>>
>>>>  I think Deep Jr. and Deep Fritz are performing nearly as well as Deep blue
>>>>has. NPS is not everything, I think the Software is just as important? Am I
>>>>wrong?
>>>
>>>Short answer:  yes.  :)
>>>
>>>DB had both good software _and_ good hardware, contrary to what some would
>>>have you believe.
>>
>>Whether or not the software was good is a point of religion, and regarding this
>>issue, I am agnostic in the strictest sense.  What you say may be true.  It may
>>be false.  I don't think it's possible to know.
>>
>>bruce
>>
>
>If you know the guys responsible, then you _know_ they didn't do anything
>"half-way"...
>

Considering the brutal amount of computer power behind the Deep Blue program,
could they have acomplished basically the same thing _without_ a good programs?
Would the hardware have gotten around "half-way" efforts in programming, or
would the whole event have fallen on it's face with a "half-way" programming
effort.

Pete



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