Author: Aaron Tay
Date: 23:57:27 11/18/00
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On November 19, 2000 at 01:07:44, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 18, 2000 at 22:05:39, Peter Kappler wrote: > >>On November 18, 2000 at 21:30:38, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On November 18, 2000 at 20:39:44, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>> >>>>On November 18, 2000 at 20:19:12, Will Singleton wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 19:05:56, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 14:03:31, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 12:50:40, Hermano Ecuadoriano wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 12:33:37, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 08:40:36, Arshad Syed wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Fritz and Junior completely anhilated their opponents in the KC human-machine >>>>>>>>>>challenge. Junior played some remarkable human-esque chess in a couple of its >>>>>>>>>>games. One of them was a gem, where DJ disregards pawn material and instead >>>>>>>>>>launches a ferocious attack on the kingside. The only other computer game that >>>>>>>>>>was so human-like was the Hiarcs-Deen Hergott match which involved a >>>>>>>>>>Queen/Knight sacrifice by the computer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>All this and hardly any mention in this NG, except for a handful of >>>>>>>>>>congratulatory messages. I mean I have seen much longer and more animated >>>>>>>>>>discussions for lesser quality comp-human games on the ICC, with moves being >>>>>>>>>>discussed in microscopic detail. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>...and finally, there was this thread on the US electoral system which possibly >>>>>>>>>>was the longest and most elaborately discussed in recent weeks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>>>>Arshad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have wondered myself too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In a mailing I have announced a 6-game match against computer killer >>>>>>>>>GM v/d Wiel and got about zero response. What to do? Cancel it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your Rebels are partly responsible for this! >>>>>>>>Everyone remembers Rebel 10-Anand! >>>>>>>>Thanks for the games against strong humans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here is an idea: >>>>>>>>Hold the match "live" at some slow time control. >>>>>>>>Do not tell the viewers which is the computer. >>>>>>>>Conduct a live, running poll, asking which is which. >>>>>>>>Reveal the answer after the game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This would be like a Turing test, and it might be feasable now. >>>>>>>>I think those whose programs are said to be human-like, should >>>>>>>>risk it! It would be interesting! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Very nice idea indeed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, yes, a thousand times YES! >>>>>> >>>>>>Let's see if people are able to guess who is human, who is program! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Christophe >>>>> >>>>>Wouldn't work. Immediate moves from pondering would give it away. Perhaps you >>>>>could disable pondering, or at least not move immediately? >>>>> >>>>>Will >>>> >>>>Disable? It is enough to deliver the moves above a minimal time, say, two >>>>minutes, even if the program answered in no time. >>>>Fernando >>> >>> >>> >>>Absolutely. This would not take away anything from the thrill of the game. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>But what happens when there is a 2-minute pause for an obviously forced >>recapture? >> >>--Peter > >It is possible to get always 2 minutes delay for every move even if the human >play the obvious move(I assume tournamrnt time control of 120/40). > >Another idea is simply to tell the spectators about a move exactly every 3 >minutes when it is not important if it is a computer move or a human move(in >order to do it you must use a delay of an hour to be practically sure that you >can do it because I do not expect the human to get to a big time trouble in the >opening and big time trouble after move 20 is no problem). > >The only problem is that I guess that spectators who analyze the game with >their Century3 will have no problem to identify the machine. >Uri Well i was wondering do the organisers reveal who the Human player is? Sometimes doing so would be a even bigger give away.. Anyway, i suppose it would be best if the tournament coulld be organised not by one particular commerical house but be a weekly event alternating bewteen various chess programs like Fritz,Junior, Rebel etc.. This way it would make it difficult for those to guess who the computer is . Another way of course is for Rebel or Tiger to be a totally new version from those availanle..
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