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Subject: Re: Gambit Tiger@Athlon 500 only? (Junior=Athlon 1000)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:48:02 11/19/00

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On November 19, 2000 at 12:20:42, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On November 19, 2000 at 12:13:07, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2000 at 10:14:46, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>>On November 18, 2000 at 20:00:14, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thüringen Mohlsdorf 2000
>>>>
>>>>Junior 6.0 Athlon 1000 +1 -1 +1 +0 -1 1 5.0/6
>>>>Deep Fritz 2x P3-866 -½ +1 +1 -1 +½ r 4.5/6
>>>>Nimzo 7.32 Athlon 1000 -½ +1 -0 +1 -1 3.5/6
>>>>Gambit Tiger 1.0 Athlon 500 -1 +0 -1 +½ -½ 3.5/6
>>>>Shredder 4.0 Athlon 800 -1 +1 -0 +0 -1 3.5/6
>>>>Chess Tiger 13.0 P3-840 +½ -0 +1 -1 +0 3.0/6
>>>>Hiarcs 7.01 P3-500 -½ +1 -½ -½ +0 3.0/6
>>>>Goliath Light 2.0ß Athlon 650 +½ -0 +0 -1 +1 3.0/6
>>>>Rebel Century - Athlon 1000 -0 +0 -1 +1 -½ 3.0/6
>>>>Zarkov 5.01 Athlon 1000 +½ -0 -½ +1 +0 2.5/6
>>>>Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 1100 +0 -½ +½ -0 +1 2.5/6
>>>>Gandalf 4.32f Athlon 1000 +0 -1 +½ -0 -0 2.0/6
>>>>Chigorin's Way Cel. 500 -0 +½ -0 +0 +½ 1.0/6
>>>>Chessmaster 6000 P2-400 +1 -0 +0 -0 -0 2.0/6
>>>>
>>>>I can't understand why Gambit Tiger was running on an Athlon 500. Can someone
>>>>explain please?
>>>>
>>>>A. Ponti
>>>
>>>It shouldn't need more. It's not much difference to the others' timings, much
>>>less than one extra ply.
>>
>>
>>
>>Don't make a fool of yourself by posting such nonsense.
>>
>>The speed difference between the winner on Athlon 1000MHz and Gambit Tiger on
>>Athlon 500 accounts for a 70 elo points handicap for Tiger.
>>
>>Uri also points out the fact that Gambit Tiger did not play with his own book,
>>which is even worse.
>>
>>You should have a good look at Gambit Tiger's performance with such a handicap,
>>and you will see that it is actually a very good performance.
>>
>>Instead of focusing on the fact that Gambit Tiger did less points than the 3
>>programs at the top, which had ALL superior hardware (by AT LEAST a factor of
>>2), you should have a look at all the programs with superior hardware which did
>>WORSE than Gambit Tiger. There are 7 of them, count them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  But the results of GT seem very poor indeed. If it had come equal first, I may
>>>have said that the few missing mhz. justifies it not getting more. But not this!
>>
>>
>>
>>You need some more knowledge about computer chess I think.
>>
>>Do the experiment yourself: take the same program, and let it run on a 1000MHz
>>computer and let the other copy of itself run on a 500MHz computer. Let them
>>play against each other.
>>
>>What result do you expect?
>
>You get results in like:
>
>70-30
>65-35

These results suggest more than 70 elo difference.

70-30 suggests 160 elo difference and 65-35 suggests 120 elo difference.

70 elo difference means that the expected result is between 59-41 and 58.5-41.5

Uri




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