Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:38:43 11/19/00
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On November 19, 2000 at 23:11:44, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On November 19, 2000 at 22:08:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 19, 2000 at 19:03:20, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>>Here is what I think is going on. >>> >>>You didn't mention topicality in your original post to Thorsten. This bothered >>>some people who don't share your political viewpoint, or at least don't believe >>>that you should be shutting down threads because people are *wrong*. >> >>Let me give you one hint. Perhaps _all_ communication isn't done via posting >>here? If something is too far off the wall, I generally use email as the >>first recourse. IE the old idea of "praise in public, chastise in private" >>has always worked for me... > >I don't understand this comment in relation to what I'm talking about. I see a >CCC thread, where you tell someone, at the beginning of the thread, not to post >in the thread anymore, because they don't know what they are talking about. > >That is what started this whole mess, and I don't see what any email exchanged, >presumably between you and Thorsten, has anything to do with anything. > >You said something that bothered Jeroen. When Jeroen criticized that, in a >series of posts you denied you'd said it, you claimed you'd said something else, >and you misrepresented Jeroen's intent, despite evidence available to anyone who >wants to use the 3-day filter and spend ten minutes reading posts. > >bruce 1. The email was sent before my post. 2. The thread kept going. I posted my "stop it" post at the front of the thread to attract attention, rather than to confuse things by posting it past the point where the thread had branched. There were several immediate follow- ups to Thorstens nonsensical first post. If I had added my "stop" to the end of one of those, it would have (IMHO) been confusing... stop the sub-thread or stop the whole thread. 3. The chronology went like this: (a) email to stop (b) STOP NOW post that you are pointing at. (c) a couple of other STOP NOW posts a day or two later. Mentally (a) and (b) happened close enough together than I didn't stop to think that no one had seen (a). When I posted the second STOP NOW post, I did consider this and added the off-topic explanation. In _any_ case, I would think it would be intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers as to what I meant. The post was off topic. If your dog craps in my yard, with me watching, and I say "stop that". I think you would figure out what I meant. I wouldn't have to say "stop that dog from crapping in my front yard." The "crap" would be pretty obvious. Politics is also pretty obvious. If someone says "you stupid sumbitch, can't you read?" I would simply say "warning: shut up now." I would not feel it necessary to add "you can't curse like that here..." Somethings I consider _obvious_. I expect most (Jeroen included) to figure out what I was responding to, and _why_. It was not confusing, IMHO. Particularly after there were already posts demanding that the thread be deleted. Not to mention moderator and personal email demanding the same thing. I suppose that if I _must_ live in a world where everything is taken so literally, with no thought being devoted to "what is going on here?" then I can live with that, and spell things out like I used to do when my kids were 3 years old. I had hoped that CCC was a bit beyond the 3-year-old comprehension level. Or, as I _really_ suspect, some _want_ to misinterpret something, in order to make a small wave here or there. I'd be willing to bet on the following two things: (1) everybody reading or seeing the thread _knew_ it was off topic and was going to draw moderator attention; (2) everybody reading my response knew _exactly_ what it meant. And why it said "STOP NOW". Everything is just about the detail of "is the crap brown, or is it dark-brown?" Doesn't matter to me... it all stinks the same. And everything Thorsten had to say in this thread was one color of crap or another.
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