Author: Günther Simon
Date: 14:33:01 11/20/00
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On November 20, 2000 at 13:37:19, Andrew Dados wrote:
>On November 20, 2000 at 09:51:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2000 at 08:51:22, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>Here is the person's history on FICS, and as you can see, he is NOT a very
>>>strong player:
>>>
>>> Opponent Type ECO End Date
>>>48: - 1515 W 1859 Jasiaaa [ br 8 0] D00 Res Sun Nov 19, 09:29 CST 2000
>>>49: - 1511 B 1715 nyknick [ br 2 12] C00 Res Sun Nov 19, 10:23 CST 2000
>>>50: + 1520 W 1529 objna [ br 5 10] A40 Fla Sun Nov 19, 20:10 CST 2000
>>>51: - 1514 B 1642 Thorax [ br 2 4] C00 Res Sun Nov 19, 21:17 CST 2000
>>>52: - 1506 W 1509 NinthPawn [ br 2 12] A43 Res Sun Nov 19, 21:27 CST 2000
>>>53: - 1546 B 0 BOOOO [ lu 1 0] A13 Fla Sun Nov 19, 21:34 CST 2000
>>>54: - 2035 W 2525 LilKikr [ sr 15 1] D00 Res Mon Nov 20, 03:50 CST 2000
>>>55: = 2114 B 2518 LilKikr [ sr 15 1] A77 Rep Mon Nov 20, 04:18 CST 2000
>>>56: + 2264 W 2504 LilKikr [ sr 15 1] D18 Mat Mon Nov 20, 04:56 CST 2000
>>>57: + 2305 W 2108 NotSoCrafty [ sr 15 0] E10 Fla Mon Nov 20, 05:20 CST 2000
>>>
>>>Now notice that he was unable to beat another 1500 blitz player in a 2 12 game,
>>>which might as well be a "standard" game over ICS as it can last forever, yet
>>>was able to record a 2-1-1 record vs computers....
>>>
>>>Here are the games, even the one my computer won...
>>>
>>>[Event ""]
>>>[Site ""]
>>>[Date "2000.11.20"]
>>>[Round ""]
>>>[White "???"]
>>>[Black "LilKikr"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2047"]
>>>[BlackElo "2524"]
>>>[Opening "D00 Queen's Pawn: Stonewall Attack"]
>>>
>>>{Time control = 15 1 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>>1.d4 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Bd3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.f4 Bg4 6.Nf3 e6 7.Nbd2 Qc7 8.h3 Bh5 9.O-O
>>>Bd6 10.b3 cxd4
>>>11.cxd4 O-O 12.g4 Nb4 13.Bxh7+ Nxh7 14.gxh5 Qc3 15.Ba3 Qxe3+ 16.Kh1 Qxf4 17.Qe2
>>>Nf6 {
>>>jkoss resigns} 0-1
>>>
>>>[Event ""]
>>>[Site ""]
>>>[Date "2000.11.20"]
>>>[Round ""]
>>>[White "LilKikr"]
>>>[Black "???"]
>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2525"]
>>>[BlackElo "2035"]
>>>[Opening "A77 Benoni: Classical, 9...Re8, 10.Nd2"]
>>>
>>>{Time control = 15 1 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 g6 6.e4 d6 7.Nf3 Bg7 8.Be2 O-O 9.O-O
>>>Re8 10.Nd2
>>>a6 11.a4 b6 12.f3 Nbd7 13.Nc4 Ne5 14.Nxe5 Rxe5 15.Bc4 Nd7 16.Bf4 Re8 17.Qd2 Ne5
>>>18.Bb3 Qh4
>>>19.Ne2 h6 20.Bg3 Qh5 21.Be1 Nd7 22.Qc2 Bb7 23.Bc3 Re7 24.Bxg7 Kxg7 25.Nf4 Qg5
>>>26.g3 Ne5
>>>27.Qc3 b5 28.axb5 axb5 29.Rxa8 b4 30.Qe3 Bxa8 31.Ra1 Bb7 32.Ra7 Qf6 33.Kg2 Kh7
>>>34.Qe2 c4
>>>35.Ba4 Bc8 36.Ra8 Rc7 37.Bc2 Qh8 38.Ra1 b3 39.Bd1 g5 40.Nh5 Nd3 41.e5 Nxe5
>>>42.Rc1 Kg6 43.g4
>>>f5 44.h3 Rc5 45.Ra1 Rxd5 46.Ra7 Bd7 47.f4 fxg4 48.Rxd7 gxh3+ 49.Kxh3 Rd3+ 50.Kg2
>>>Qa8+ 51.Kf2
>>>Qh1 52.Rg7+ Kf5 53.fxe5 Qh2+ 54.Kf1 Qh1+ 55.Kf2 Qh2+ 56.Kf1 Qh1+ 57.Kf2 { Game
>>>drawn by
>>>repetition} 1/2-1/2
>>>
>>>[Event ""]
>>>[Site ""]
>>>[Date "2000.11.20"]
>>>[Round ""]
>>>[White "???"]
>>>[Black "LilKikr"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2114"]
>>>[BlackElo "2518"]
>>>[Opening "D19 QGD Slav: Dutch Variation"]
>>>
>>>{Time control = 15 1 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.O-O Nbd7
>>>9.Qe2 Bg6 10.Bd2
>>>O-O 11.Ne4 Bxd2 12.Nexd2 Qc7 13.Rac1 Bh5 14.b4 e5 15.dxe5 Nxe5 16.Rfd1 Rad8
>>>17.h3 Nxc4
>>>18.Qxc4 Rd6 19.g4 Bg6 20.Nb3 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Be4 22.Nfd4 Bd5 23.Qc2 Ne4 24.Nf5 Rc8
>>>25.Nbd4
>>>Ng5 26.f4 Nxh3+ 27.Kh2 Ng5 28.Nb5 cxb5 29.Qxc7 Rxc7 30.fxg5 Rd7 31.Rxd5 Rxd5
>>>32.Ne7+ Kf8
>>>33.Nxd5 bxa4 34.Kg3 a3 35.Nc3 f6 36.gxf6 gxf6 37.Kf4 Kf7 38.b5 Kg6 39.Na2 h6
>>>40.Nb4 a6 41.b6
>>>Kf7 42.Kf5 a5 43.Na2 Ke7 44.Kg6 Kd6 45.Kxf6 Kd5 46.Nc1 Kc4 47.Ke5 Kc3 48.Kd5 a4
>>>49.Kc5 Kd2
>>>50.Na2 Kc2 51.Nb4+ Kb2 52.Kb5 Kc3 53.Kxa4 Kc4 54.Kxa3 Kc5 55.Kb3 Kxb6 56.Nd5+
>>>Kc5 57.Ne7
>>>Kd6 58.Nf5+ Ke5 59.Nxh6 Kf6 60.e4 Kg5 61.e5 Kxh6 62.e6 Kg7 63.g5 Kf8 64.g6 Ke7
>>>65.g7 Kxe6
>>>66.g8Q+ Kd6 67.Qc4 b5 68.Qxb5 Ke6 69.Kc4 Kf6 70.Kd4 Ke6 71.Qc5 Kf6 72.Ke4 Ke6
>>>73.Qc6+ Kf7
>>>74.Ke5 Kg7 75.Kf5 Kf7 76.Qd7+ Kf8 77.Kf6 Kg8 78.Qg7# { LilKikr checkmated} 1-0
>>>
>>>I am blocking out his name, as I am not totally sure, but I doubt that I am
>>>wrong in the fact this "person" cheated. He is also a former admin of FICS, so
>>>it is actually very doubtful they will do anything to him if proven to be
>>>guilty. By his history, you can tell he is a weak player, yet it rated 800
>>>points higher in standard games, but is not established. His previous best in
>>>standard was 1905.. but has not been at that level since 1998.
>>>
>>>What do you think?
>>>
>>>Btw, Lilikr(C) is a Rebel Tiger II on a PIII 500 using 96m hash tables, and
>>>regular book. In the draw, and loss, my Tiger was really never ahead..
>>
>>
>>
>>The history looks suspect. It would really help if you could post the games
>>with the time per move included. That is a good clue. Then annotating the
>>games with a computer program can provide even more convincing information.
>
>
>
>Just 2 games dumped with 'smoves' command...
>Time usage looks typical for manually operated computer program.
>
>(????) (2114) vs. LilKikr (2518) --- Mon Nov 20, 06:26 ??? 2000
>Rated standard match, initial time: 15 minutes, increment: 1 seconds.
>
>Move (????) LilKikr
>---- ---------------- ----------------
> 1. d4 (0:12) d5 (0:00)
> 2. c4 (0:08) c6 (0:00)
> 3. Nf3 (0:03) Nf6 (0:00)
> 4. Nc3 (0:04) dxc4 (0:00)
> 5. a4 (0:04) Bf5 (0:00)
> 6. e3 (0:05) e6 (0:00)
> 7. Bxc4 (0:04) Bb4 (0:00)
> 8. O-O (0:36) Nbd7 (0:00)
> 9. Qe2 (0:06) Bg6 (0:00)
> 10. Bd2 (0:20) O-O (0:00)
> 11. Ne4 (0:13) Bxd2 (0:25)
> 12. Nexd2 (0:10) Qc7 (0:06)
> 13. Rac1 (0:08) Bh5 (0:16)
> 14. b4 (0:10) e5 (0:14)
> 15. dxe5 (0:06) Nxe5 (0:24)
> 16. Rfd1 (0:10) Rad8 (0:16)
> 17. h3 (0:10) Nxc4 (0:13)
> 18. Qxc4 (0:07) Rd6 (0:41)
> 19. g4 (0:08) Bg6 (0:17)
> 20. Nb3 (0:10) Rxd1+ (0:17)
> 21. Rxd1 (0:04) Be4 (0:19)
> 22. Nfd4 (0:13) Bd5 (0:16)
> 23. Qc2 (0:25) Ne4 (0:15)
> 24. Nf5 (0:20) Rc8 (0:22)
> 25. Nbd4 (0:12) Ng5 (0:05)
> 26. f4 (0:19) Nxh3+ (0:15)
> 27. Kh2 (0:06) Ng5 (0:23)
> 28. Nb5 (1:08) cxb5 (0:14)
> 29. Qxc7 (0:07) Rxc7 (0:17)
> 30. fxg5 (0:08) Rd7 (0:23)
> 31. Rxd5 (0:11) Rxd5 (0:48)
> 32. Ne7+ (0:02) Kf8 (0:28)
> 33. Nxd5 (0:00) bxa4 (0:03)
> 34. Kg3 (0:21) a3 (0:00)
> 35. Nc3 (0:07) f6 (1:05)
> 36. gxf6 (0:07) gxf6 (0:07)
> 37. Kf4 (0:12) Kf7 (0:10)
> 38. b5 (0:15) Kg6 (0:17)
> 39. Na2 (0:11) h6 (0:19)
> 40. Nb4 (1:24) a6 (0:00)
> 41. b6 (1:12) Kf7 (0:00)
> 42. Kf5 (0:14) a5 (0:16)
> 43. Na2 (0:10) Ke7 (1:00)
> 44. Kg6 (0:15) Kd6 (0:00)
> 45. Kxf6 (0:12) Kd5 (0:10)
> 46. Nc1 (1:24) Kc4 (0:19)
> 47. Ke5 (0:26) Kc3 (0:38)
> 48. Kd5 (0:15) a4 (0:00)
> 49. Kc5 (0:24) Kd2 (0:00)
> 50. Na2 (0:13) Kc2 (0:00)
> 51. Nb4+ (0:15) Kb2 (0:07)
> 52. Kb5 (0:12) Kc3 (0:23)
> 53. Kxa4 (0:10) Kc4 (0:00)
> 54. Kxa3 (0:06) Kc5 (0:17)
> 55. Kb3 (0:09) Kxb6 (0:10)
> 56. Nd5+ (0:10) Kc5 (0:00)
> 57. Ne7 (0:10) Kd6 (0:00)
> 58. Nf5+ (0:02) Ke5 (0:04)
> 59. Nxh6 (0:01) Kf6 (0:11)
> 60. e4 (0:08) Kg5 (0:08)
> 61. e5 (0:03) Kxh6 (0:08)
> 62. e6 (0:03) Kg7 (0:11)
> 63. g5 (0:02) Kf8 (0:05)
> 64. g6 (0:02) Ke7 (0:07)
> 65. g7 (0:01) Kxe6 (0:04)
> 66. g8=Q+ (0:01) Kd6 (0:04)
> 67. Qc4 (0:02) b5 (0:05)
> 68. Qxb5 (0:02) Ke6 (0:02)
> 69. Kc4 (0:01) Kf6 (0:05)
> 70. Kd4 (0:00) Ke6 (0:03)
> 71. Qc5 (0:03) Kf6 (0:01)
> 72. Ke4 (0:01) Ke6 (0:00)
> 73. Qc6+ (0:01) Kf7 (0:00)
> 74. Ke5 (0:01) Kg7 (0:00)
> 75. Kf5 (0:03) Kf7 (0:00)
> 76. Qd7+ (0:02) Kf8 (0:00)
> 77. Kf6 (0:03) Kg8 (0:00)
> 78. Qg7+ (0:01)
> {Black checkmated} 1-0
>
>fics% smov (????) 55
>
>LilKikr (2525) vs. (????) (2035) --- Mon Nov 20, 05:50 ??? 2000
>Rated standard match, initial time: 15 minutes, increment: 1 seconds.
>
>Move LilKikr (????)
>---- ---------------- ----------------
> 1. d4 (0:02) Nf6 (0:05)
> 2. c4 (0:00) e6 (0:23)
> 3. Nc3 (0:00) c5 (0:05)
> 4. d5 (0:00) exd5 (0:16)
> 5. cxd5 (0:00) g6 (0:19)
> 6. e4 (0:00) d6 (0:06)
> 7. Nf3 (0:00) Bg7 (0:27)
> 8. Be2 (0:00) O-O (0:13)
> 9. O-O (0:00) Re8 (0:25)
> 10. Nd2 (0:00) a6 (0:14)
> 11. a4 (0:00) b6 (0:17)
> 12. f3 (0:19) Nbd7 (0:15)
> 13. Nc4 (0:19) Ne5 (0:19)
> 14. Nxe5 (1:06) Rxe5 (0:09)
> 15. Bc4 (0:54) Nd7 (0:16)
> 16. Bf4 (0:35) Re8 (0:14)
> 17. Qd2 (0:17) Ne5 (0:12)
> 18. Bb3 (0:03) Qh4 (0:12)
> 19. Ne2 (0:13) h6 (0:10)
> 20. Bg3 (0:24) Qh5 (0:16)
> 21. Be1 (0:12) Nd7 (0:15)
> 22. Qc2 (0:10) Bb7 (0:12)
> 23. Bc3 (0:11) Re7 (0:21)
> 24. Bxg7 (0:34) Kxg7 (0:11)
> 25. Nf4 (0:20) Qg5 (0:39)
> 26. g3 (0:29) Ne5 (0:45)
> 27. Qc3 (0:12) b5 (0:49)
> 28. axb5 (0:44) axb5 (0:27)
> 29. Rxa8 (0:32) b4 (0:04)
> 30. Qe3 (0:20) Bxa8 (0:28)
> 31. Ra1 (0:30) Bb7 (0:23)
> 32. Ra7 (0:28) Qf6 (0:25)
> 33. Kg2 (0:08) Kh7 (0:16)
> 34. Qe2 (0:17) c4 (0:27)
> 35. Ba4 (0:09) Bc8 (0:18)
> 36. Ra8 (0:00) Rc7 (0:15)
> 37. Bc2 (0:30) Qh8 (0:47)
> 38. Ra1 (0:26) b3 (0:11)
> 39. Bd1 (0:00) g5 (0:09)
> 40. Nh5 (0:01) Nd3 (0:22)
> 41. e5 (0:00) Nxe5 (0:14)
> 42. Rc1 (0:00) Kg6 (0:10)
> 43. g4 (0:28) f5 (0:11)
> 44. h3 (0:06) Rc5 (0:09)
> 45. Ra1 (0:08) Rxd5 (0:13)
> 46. Ra7 (0:09) Bd7 (0:15)
> 47. f4 (0:06) fxg4 (0:13)
> 48. Rxd7 (0:00) gxh3+ (0:27)
> 49. Kxh3 (0:17) Rd3+ (0:08)
> 50. Kg2 (0:28) Qa8+ (0:13)
> 51. Kf2 (0:06) Qh1 (0:12)
> 52. Rg7+ (0:05) Kf5 (0:04)
> 53. fxe5 (0:01) Qh2+ (0:06)
> 54. Kf1 (0:00) Qh1+ (0:09)
> 55. Kf2 (0:00) Qh2+ (0:01)
> 56. Kf1 (0:05) Qh1+ (0:03)
> 57. Kf2 (0:00)
> {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
Hello Andrew,
How did you get this times? As far as I know they wouldnt be saved in the
pgn-file or are you an admin at FICS?
Me for myself had just two weeks ago a much more abnormal match against
someone on ICC.My ratings there are 1650+ bullet,1900+ blitz,2000+standard
and I played 5 bullet games against another 1500er and lost 4.
That alone would be nothing to get very astonished about, but...then I took
a look at his current ratings and his history and I dropped out off my seat.
800+blitz,800+standard out of hundreds games???
Some days later he got 1850+!! in bullet all others stayed around 800 although
he played this times from time to time, normally lost all;
I accused him to be a cheater and told an admin - they are still exploring
his games, a day after that he gone down to 1400 in bullet-sounds strange.
I forgot to say that I played 2 1 bullet the slowest kind of bullet because
I am lousy slow and 2 1 is nearly blitz, so I cant believe a range of 1000
to the slowlier time games,this must be unnatural or am I totally wrong?
Last I saw he was gone back to 1800+ bullet!
With friendly regards, Günther
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