Author: Andrew Dados
Date: 15:39:44 11/20/00
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On November 20, 2000 at 17:33:01, Günther Simon wrote:
>On November 20, 2000 at 13:37:19, Andrew Dados wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2000 at 09:51:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 20, 2000 at 08:51:22, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is the person's history on FICS, and as you can see, he is NOT a very
>>>>strong player:
>>>>
>>>> Opponent Type ECO End Date
>>>>48: - 1515 W 1859 Jasiaaa [ br 8 0] D00 Res Sun Nov 19, 09:29 CST 2000
>>>>49: - 1511 B 1715 nyknick [ br 2 12] C00 Res Sun Nov 19, 10:23 CST 2000
>>>>50: + 1520 W 1529 objna [ br 5 10] A40 Fla Sun Nov 19, 20:10 CST 2000
>>>>51: - 1514 B 1642 Thorax [ br 2 4] C00 Res Sun Nov 19, 21:17 CST 2000
>>>>52: - 1506 W 1509 NinthPawn [ br 2 12] A43 Res Sun Nov 19, 21:27 CST 2000
>>>>53: - 1546 B 0 BOOOO [ lu 1 0] A13 Fla Sun Nov 19, 21:34 CST 2000
>>>>54: - 2035 W 2525 LilKikr [ sr 15 1] D00 Res Mon Nov 20, 03:50 CST 2000
>>>>55: = 2114 B 2518 LilKikr [ sr 15 1] A77 Rep Mon Nov 20, 04:18 CST 2000
>>>>56: + 2264 W 2504 LilKikr [ sr 15 1] D18 Mat Mon Nov 20, 04:56 CST 2000
>>>>57: + 2305 W 2108 NotSoCrafty [ sr 15 0] E10 Fla Mon Nov 20, 05:20 CST 2000
>>>>
>>>>Now notice that he was unable to beat another 1500 blitz player in a 2 12 game,
>>>>which might as well be a "standard" game over ICS as it can last forever, yet
>>>>was able to record a 2-1-1 record vs computers....
>>>>
>>>>Here are the games, even the one my computer won...
>>>>
>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>[Date "2000.11.20"]
>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>[White "???"]
>>>>[Black "LilKikr"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2047"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2524"]
>>>>[Opening "D00 Queen's Pawn: Stonewall Attack"]
>>>>
>>>>{Time control = 15 1 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>>>1.d4 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Bd3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.f4 Bg4 6.Nf3 e6 7.Nbd2 Qc7 8.h3 Bh5 9.O-O
>>>>Bd6 10.b3 cxd4
>>>>11.cxd4 O-O 12.g4 Nb4 13.Bxh7+ Nxh7 14.gxh5 Qc3 15.Ba3 Qxe3+ 16.Kh1 Qxf4 17.Qe2
>>>>Nf6 {
>>>>jkoss resigns} 0-1
>>>>
>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>[Date "2000.11.20"]
>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>[White "LilKikr"]
>>>>[Black "???"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2525"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2035"]
>>>>[Opening "A77 Benoni: Classical, 9...Re8, 10.Nd2"]
>>>>
>>>>{Time control = 15 1 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 g6 6.e4 d6 7.Nf3 Bg7 8.Be2 O-O 9.O-O
>>>>Re8 10.Nd2
>>>>a6 11.a4 b6 12.f3 Nbd7 13.Nc4 Ne5 14.Nxe5 Rxe5 15.Bc4 Nd7 16.Bf4 Re8 17.Qd2 Ne5
>>>>18.Bb3 Qh4
>>>>19.Ne2 h6 20.Bg3 Qh5 21.Be1 Nd7 22.Qc2 Bb7 23.Bc3 Re7 24.Bxg7 Kxg7 25.Nf4 Qg5
>>>>26.g3 Ne5
>>>>27.Qc3 b5 28.axb5 axb5 29.Rxa8 b4 30.Qe3 Bxa8 31.Ra1 Bb7 32.Ra7 Qf6 33.Kg2 Kh7
>>>>34.Qe2 c4
>>>>35.Ba4 Bc8 36.Ra8 Rc7 37.Bc2 Qh8 38.Ra1 b3 39.Bd1 g5 40.Nh5 Nd3 41.e5 Nxe5
>>>>42.Rc1 Kg6 43.g4
>>>>f5 44.h3 Rc5 45.Ra1 Rxd5 46.Ra7 Bd7 47.f4 fxg4 48.Rxd7 gxh3+ 49.Kxh3 Rd3+ 50.Kg2
>>>>Qa8+ 51.Kf2
>>>>Qh1 52.Rg7+ Kf5 53.fxe5 Qh2+ 54.Kf1 Qh1+ 55.Kf2 Qh2+ 56.Kf1 Qh1+ 57.Kf2 { Game
>>>>drawn by
>>>>repetition} 1/2-1/2
>>>>
>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>[Date "2000.11.20"]
>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>[White "???"]
>>>>[Black "LilKikr"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2114"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2518"]
>>>>[Opening "D19 QGD Slav: Dutch Variation"]
>>>>
>>>>{Time control = 15 1 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.O-O Nbd7
>>>>9.Qe2 Bg6 10.Bd2
>>>>O-O 11.Ne4 Bxd2 12.Nexd2 Qc7 13.Rac1 Bh5 14.b4 e5 15.dxe5 Nxe5 16.Rfd1 Rad8
>>>>17.h3 Nxc4
>>>>18.Qxc4 Rd6 19.g4 Bg6 20.Nb3 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Be4 22.Nfd4 Bd5 23.Qc2 Ne4 24.Nf5 Rc8
>>>>25.Nbd4
>>>>Ng5 26.f4 Nxh3+ 27.Kh2 Ng5 28.Nb5 cxb5 29.Qxc7 Rxc7 30.fxg5 Rd7 31.Rxd5 Rxd5
>>>>32.Ne7+ Kf8
>>>>33.Nxd5 bxa4 34.Kg3 a3 35.Nc3 f6 36.gxf6 gxf6 37.Kf4 Kf7 38.b5 Kg6 39.Na2 h6
>>>>40.Nb4 a6 41.b6
>>>>Kf7 42.Kf5 a5 43.Na2 Ke7 44.Kg6 Kd6 45.Kxf6 Kd5 46.Nc1 Kc4 47.Ke5 Kc3 48.Kd5 a4
>>>>49.Kc5 Kd2
>>>>50.Na2 Kc2 51.Nb4+ Kb2 52.Kb5 Kc3 53.Kxa4 Kc4 54.Kxa3 Kc5 55.Kb3 Kxb6 56.Nd5+
>>>>Kc5 57.Ne7
>>>>Kd6 58.Nf5+ Ke5 59.Nxh6 Kf6 60.e4 Kg5 61.e5 Kxh6 62.e6 Kg7 63.g5 Kf8 64.g6 Ke7
>>>>65.g7 Kxe6
>>>>66.g8Q+ Kd6 67.Qc4 b5 68.Qxb5 Ke6 69.Kc4 Kf6 70.Kd4 Ke6 71.Qc5 Kf6 72.Ke4 Ke6
>>>>73.Qc6+ Kf7
>>>>74.Ke5 Kg7 75.Kf5 Kf7 76.Qd7+ Kf8 77.Kf6 Kg8 78.Qg7# { LilKikr checkmated} 1-0
>>>>
>>>>I am blocking out his name, as I am not totally sure, but I doubt that I am
>>>>wrong in the fact this "person" cheated. He is also a former admin of FICS, so
>>>>it is actually very doubtful they will do anything to him if proven to be
>>>>guilty. By his history, you can tell he is a weak player, yet it rated 800
>>>>points higher in standard games, but is not established. His previous best in
>>>>standard was 1905.. but has not been at that level since 1998.
>>>>
>>>>What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>Btw, Lilikr(C) is a Rebel Tiger II on a PIII 500 using 96m hash tables, and
>>>>regular book. In the draw, and loss, my Tiger was really never ahead..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The history looks suspect. It would really help if you could post the games
>>>with the time per move included. That is a good clue. Then annotating the
>>>games with a computer program can provide even more convincing information.
>>
>>
>>
>>Just 2 games dumped with 'smoves' command...
>>Time usage looks typical for manually operated computer program.
>>
>>(????) (2114) vs. LilKikr (2518) --- Mon Nov 20, 06:26 ??? 2000
>>Rated standard match, initial time: 15 minutes, increment: 1 seconds.
>>
>>Move (????) LilKikr
>>---- ---------------- ----------------
>> 1. d4 (0:12) d5 (0:00)
>> 2. c4 (0:08) c6 (0:00)
>> 3. Nf3 (0:03) Nf6 (0:00)
>> 4. Nc3 (0:04) dxc4 (0:00)
>> 5. a4 (0:04) Bf5 (0:00)
>> 6. e3 (0:05) e6 (0:00)
>> 7. Bxc4 (0:04) Bb4 (0:00)
>> 8. O-O (0:36) Nbd7 (0:00)
>> 9. Qe2 (0:06) Bg6 (0:00)
>> 10. Bd2 (0:20) O-O (0:00)
>> 11. Ne4 (0:13) Bxd2 (0:25)
>> 12. Nexd2 (0:10) Qc7 (0:06)
>> 13. Rac1 (0:08) Bh5 (0:16)
>> 14. b4 (0:10) e5 (0:14)
>> 15. dxe5 (0:06) Nxe5 (0:24)
>> 16. Rfd1 (0:10) Rad8 (0:16)
>> 17. h3 (0:10) Nxc4 (0:13)
>> 18. Qxc4 (0:07) Rd6 (0:41)
>> 19. g4 (0:08) Bg6 (0:17)
>> 20. Nb3 (0:10) Rxd1+ (0:17)
>> 21. Rxd1 (0:04) Be4 (0:19)
>> 22. Nfd4 (0:13) Bd5 (0:16)
>> 23. Qc2 (0:25) Ne4 (0:15)
>> 24. Nf5 (0:20) Rc8 (0:22)
>> 25. Nbd4 (0:12) Ng5 (0:05)
>> 26. f4 (0:19) Nxh3+ (0:15)
>> 27. Kh2 (0:06) Ng5 (0:23)
>> 28. Nb5 (1:08) cxb5 (0:14)
>> 29. Qxc7 (0:07) Rxc7 (0:17)
>> 30. fxg5 (0:08) Rd7 (0:23)
>> 31. Rxd5 (0:11) Rxd5 (0:48)
>> 32. Ne7+ (0:02) Kf8 (0:28)
>> 33. Nxd5 (0:00) bxa4 (0:03)
>> 34. Kg3 (0:21) a3 (0:00)
>> 35. Nc3 (0:07) f6 (1:05)
>> 36. gxf6 (0:07) gxf6 (0:07)
>> 37. Kf4 (0:12) Kf7 (0:10)
>> 38. b5 (0:15) Kg6 (0:17)
>> 39. Na2 (0:11) h6 (0:19)
>> 40. Nb4 (1:24) a6 (0:00)
>> 41. b6 (1:12) Kf7 (0:00)
>> 42. Kf5 (0:14) a5 (0:16)
>> 43. Na2 (0:10) Ke7 (1:00)
>> 44. Kg6 (0:15) Kd6 (0:00)
>> 45. Kxf6 (0:12) Kd5 (0:10)
>> 46. Nc1 (1:24) Kc4 (0:19)
>> 47. Ke5 (0:26) Kc3 (0:38)
>> 48. Kd5 (0:15) a4 (0:00)
>> 49. Kc5 (0:24) Kd2 (0:00)
>> 50. Na2 (0:13) Kc2 (0:00)
>> 51. Nb4+ (0:15) Kb2 (0:07)
>> 52. Kb5 (0:12) Kc3 (0:23)
>> 53. Kxa4 (0:10) Kc4 (0:00)
>> 54. Kxa3 (0:06) Kc5 (0:17)
>> 55. Kb3 (0:09) Kxb6 (0:10)
>> 56. Nd5+ (0:10) Kc5 (0:00)
>> 57. Ne7 (0:10) Kd6 (0:00)
>> 58. Nf5+ (0:02) Ke5 (0:04)
>> 59. Nxh6 (0:01) Kf6 (0:11)
>> 60. e4 (0:08) Kg5 (0:08)
>> 61. e5 (0:03) Kxh6 (0:08)
>> 62. e6 (0:03) Kg7 (0:11)
>> 63. g5 (0:02) Kf8 (0:05)
>> 64. g6 (0:02) Ke7 (0:07)
>> 65. g7 (0:01) Kxe6 (0:04)
>> 66. g8=Q+ (0:01) Kd6 (0:04)
>> 67. Qc4 (0:02) b5 (0:05)
>> 68. Qxb5 (0:02) Ke6 (0:02)
>> 69. Kc4 (0:01) Kf6 (0:05)
>> 70. Kd4 (0:00) Ke6 (0:03)
>> 71. Qc5 (0:03) Kf6 (0:01)
>> 72. Ke4 (0:01) Ke6 (0:00)
>> 73. Qc6+ (0:01) Kf7 (0:00)
>> 74. Ke5 (0:01) Kg7 (0:00)
>> 75. Kf5 (0:03) Kf7 (0:00)
>> 76. Qd7+ (0:02) Kf8 (0:00)
>> 77. Kf6 (0:03) Kg8 (0:00)
>> 78. Qg7+ (0:01)
>> {Black checkmated} 1-0
>>
>>fics% smov (????) 55
>>
>>LilKikr (2525) vs. (????) (2035) --- Mon Nov 20, 05:50 ??? 2000
>>Rated standard match, initial time: 15 minutes, increment: 1 seconds.
>>
>>Move LilKikr (????)
>>---- ---------------- ----------------
>> 1. d4 (0:02) Nf6 (0:05)
>> 2. c4 (0:00) e6 (0:23)
>> 3. Nc3 (0:00) c5 (0:05)
>> 4. d5 (0:00) exd5 (0:16)
>> 5. cxd5 (0:00) g6 (0:19)
>> 6. e4 (0:00) d6 (0:06)
>> 7. Nf3 (0:00) Bg7 (0:27)
>> 8. Be2 (0:00) O-O (0:13)
>> 9. O-O (0:00) Re8 (0:25)
>> 10. Nd2 (0:00) a6 (0:14)
>> 11. a4 (0:00) b6 (0:17)
>> 12. f3 (0:19) Nbd7 (0:15)
>> 13. Nc4 (0:19) Ne5 (0:19)
>> 14. Nxe5 (1:06) Rxe5 (0:09)
>> 15. Bc4 (0:54) Nd7 (0:16)
>> 16. Bf4 (0:35) Re8 (0:14)
>> 17. Qd2 (0:17) Ne5 (0:12)
>> 18. Bb3 (0:03) Qh4 (0:12)
>> 19. Ne2 (0:13) h6 (0:10)
>> 20. Bg3 (0:24) Qh5 (0:16)
>> 21. Be1 (0:12) Nd7 (0:15)
>> 22. Qc2 (0:10) Bb7 (0:12)
>> 23. Bc3 (0:11) Re7 (0:21)
>> 24. Bxg7 (0:34) Kxg7 (0:11)
>> 25. Nf4 (0:20) Qg5 (0:39)
>> 26. g3 (0:29) Ne5 (0:45)
>> 27. Qc3 (0:12) b5 (0:49)
>> 28. axb5 (0:44) axb5 (0:27)
>> 29. Rxa8 (0:32) b4 (0:04)
>> 30. Qe3 (0:20) Bxa8 (0:28)
>> 31. Ra1 (0:30) Bb7 (0:23)
>> 32. Ra7 (0:28) Qf6 (0:25)
>> 33. Kg2 (0:08) Kh7 (0:16)
>> 34. Qe2 (0:17) c4 (0:27)
>> 35. Ba4 (0:09) Bc8 (0:18)
>> 36. Ra8 (0:00) Rc7 (0:15)
>> 37. Bc2 (0:30) Qh8 (0:47)
>> 38. Ra1 (0:26) b3 (0:11)
>> 39. Bd1 (0:00) g5 (0:09)
>> 40. Nh5 (0:01) Nd3 (0:22)
>> 41. e5 (0:00) Nxe5 (0:14)
>> 42. Rc1 (0:00) Kg6 (0:10)
>> 43. g4 (0:28) f5 (0:11)
>> 44. h3 (0:06) Rc5 (0:09)
>> 45. Ra1 (0:08) Rxd5 (0:13)
>> 46. Ra7 (0:09) Bd7 (0:15)
>> 47. f4 (0:06) fxg4 (0:13)
>> 48. Rxd7 (0:00) gxh3+ (0:27)
>> 49. Kxh3 (0:17) Rd3+ (0:08)
>> 50. Kg2 (0:28) Qa8+ (0:13)
>> 51. Kf2 (0:06) Qh1 (0:12)
>> 52. Rg7+ (0:05) Kf5 (0:04)
>> 53. fxe5 (0:01) Qh2+ (0:06)
>> 54. Kf1 (0:00) Qh1+ (0:09)
>> 55. Kf2 (0:00) Qh2+ (0:01)
>> 56. Kf1 (0:05) Qh1+ (0:03)
>> 57. Kf2 (0:00)
>> {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>Hello Andrew,
>
>How did you get this times? As far as I know they wouldnt be saved in the
>pgn-file or are you an admin at FICS?
>Me for myself had just two weeks ago a much more abnormal match against
>someone on ICC.My ratings there are 1650+ bullet,1900+ blitz,2000+standard
>and I played 5 bullet games against another 1500er and lost 4.
>That alone would be nothing to get very astonished about, but...then I took
>a look at his current ratings and his history and I dropped out off my seat.
>800+blitz,800+standard out of hundreds games???
>Some days later he got 1850+!! in bullet all others stayed around 800 although
>he played this times from time to time, normally lost all;
>I accused him to be a cheater and told an admin - they are still exploring
>his games, a day after that he gone down to 1400 in bullet-sounds strange.
>I forgot to say that I played 2 1 bullet the slowest kind of bullet because
>I am lousy slow and 2 1 is nearly blitz, so I cant believe a range of 1000
>to the slowlier time games,this must be unnatural or am I totally wrong?
>Last I saw he was gone back to 1800+ bullet!
>
>With friendly regards, Günther
Hi Gunther.
You get such an output from chess servers by using command 'smoves <player>
<history number>'. Some interfaces may not show icc output though, but parse it
autommatically. Not sure about blitzin. Winboard and slics show it the way I
posted, btw.
-Andrew-
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