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Subject: Re: 2 CPU's vs. one fast one

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 01:42:44 11/21/00

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On November 21, 2000 at 04:06:26, Gregor Overney wrote:

>On November 19, 2000 at 18:19:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2000 at 10:07:17, Randy Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>>Of course Bob's comments are interesting...
>>>
>>>Yesterday I put together (in web browser only) a dream system
>>>from Dell.  It had two 1-gig P3's and 1024 of RAM...total cost
>>>around $6500.  Now according to what I am reading, it would be
>>>better to spend around $3500 and wait until the 1.6 gigs are
>>>released?  I can save $3000, wait 3 months and I have about
>>>the same speed of machine?
>>
>>basically, yes.  Of course if you do any computation at all, and you do
>>multiple things, the second cpu will work quite well.  The 1.7X figure I
>>quoted was for my chess engine using 2 cpus.  2 compiles will run 2x
>>faster, for example.
>
>Interesting. After the P4/1.5G got announced I made a "paper-based" comparison
>of a dual P3/1G with Dell's new 330 Workstation. The numbers are:
>
>P4/1.5G SpecINT2000 535 (one CPU)
>P3/1.0G SpecINT2000 418 (per CPU)
>
>(SpecINT2000 includes Crafty in its benchmark.)
>
>Those values are obtained using SIMD and SIMD 2. A feature that is not yet
>supported by VC++ 6SP4. Let us take Bob's suggested value of 1.7 for Crafty then
>the dual P3/1.0G offers a value of 710 (a p6/200 gets a value of 75). Since my
>old p6/200 calculates 100,000 nodes/sec, I expect a dual P3/1.0G to achive
>around 900,000 nodes/sec when using Crafty. Right?

With the Chessbase version of Crafty 17.14 running on a dual PIII-933 with 464
MB hash, I got 1000k NPS analyzing a more or less average middlegame position.

It would be interesting to see if Bob's Crafty 17.14 gives a similar analysis.

Ply depth 38 moves both
3rr1k1/pp1nqp1p/2pb1np1/8/3N4/PP2P2P/1BQ1NPP1/R4RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 17.14 P4:

22...Ne4
  ³  (-0.49)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:03
22...Ne4 23.Rfd1
  =  (-0.23)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:03
22...c5 23.Nf3
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:03
22...c5 23.Nb5 Bb8
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:03
22...Ne4 23.Rfd1 Ndc5
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:03
22...Qe5 23.Nf3 Qe4
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:03
22...Qe5 23.Nf3 Qe4 24.Rac1
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:03
22...Be5 23.Rad1 c5 24.Nf3 Bxb2 25.Qxb2
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:03
22...Be5 23.Rad1 c5 24.Nf3 Bxb2 25.Qxb2
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:03
22...Be5 23.Rad1 c5 24.Nb5 Bxb2 25.Qxb2 a5
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:03  59kN
22...Be5 23.Rfd1 Ne4 24.Nc3 Bg7 25.Nxe4 Qxe4 26.Rac1
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:03  293kN
22...Qe5 23.Nf3 Qe4 24.Qxe4 Nxe4 25.Rad1 Bf8 26.Nf4 h6
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:04  806kN
22...Nb6 23.Rfd1 Rd7 24.Nf3 Red8 25.Bxf6 Qxf6 26.Qe4
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:04  929kN
22...Nb6 23.Rfd1 Rd7 24.b4 Red8 25.Rac1 Ne4 26.b5
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:04  1137kN
22...Be5 23.Rfd1 Ne4 24.Nc3 Ndf6 25.Nde2 Nxc3 26.Nxc3 h6
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:06  2781kN
22...Nd5 23.Rfd1 Nc5 24.Nc3 Nxc3 25.Bxc3 Ne4 26.Ba5 Rd7
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:06  3185kN
22...Nd5 23.Rad1 N7b6 24.a4 Nb4 25.Qc3 Be5 26.e4 Bg7
  =  (-0.23)   Depth: 9/20   00:00:09  6224kN
22...Be5 23.Rfd1 Ne4 24.Nc3 Bg7 25.Nxe4 Qxe4 26.Rac1 Qxc2 27.Rxc2 Ne5
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 9/20   00:00:13  9785kN
22...Be5 23.Rad1 Ne4 24.Nf4 Nd6 25.Qd2 Qf6 26.Rfe1 Ne4 27.Qc1
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:20  16549kN
22...Be5 23.Rfd1 Ne4 24.Nc3 Bg7 25.Rac1 Ndc5 26.b4 Nxc3 27.Bxc3 Ne4 28.a4
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:38  34457kN
22...Be5 23.Rad1 Ne4 24.Nf4 Bg7 25.b4 Qf6 26.Rd3 Ne5 27.Rdd1 Ng5 28.Qc5
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 12/20   00:01:22  80076kN
22...Be5 23.Rad1 Ne4 24.Nf4 Ng5 25.b4 c5 26.bxc5 Nxc5 27.Qc4 b5 28.Qc2 Bxf4
29.exf4 Nge6 30.Nxb5 Nxf4 31.Rxd8 Rxd8
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 13/25   00:02:30  150361kN

Enrique

> A dual P4/1.5G should be the
>first _dual_ CPU-based Intel system that reaches more than one mega-nodes when
>running Crafty.
>
>But if you can wait a couple of months, just buy a dual P4/1.5G or, maybe, a
>dual Itenium/1.5GHz........if you can wait, you'll probably never buy a system,
>because at the same time Dell ships your system, it's already outperformed by
>the next one in line.
>
>
>Gregor



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