Author: John Merlino
Date: 12:58:24 11/21/00
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On November 17, 2000 at 03:55:18, Jason Williamson wrote: >On November 16, 2000 at 21:56:41, John Merlino wrote: > >>On November 16, 2000 at 21:53:44, Jason Williamson wrote: >> >>>On November 16, 2000 at 20:00:53, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On November 16, 2000 at 19:25:39, Garry Evans wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 16, 2000 at 19:22:44, Garry Evans wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Just go to bestbuy they have it on sale for 21 $ although the box says 39.95 >>>>>>You can't go wrong purchasing this product. The newer chessmaster feels >>>>>>incredibly strong, so far i haven't lost a game with it at icc. It still has >>>>>>it's basically tactical and agressive style in the tradition of Tal. It also >>>>>>still moves almost instantly after it's opponent moves ( I have never seen a >>>>>>program that moves as fast as CM no matter the level). I am not sure if the >>>>>>opening book has been expanded. So far I had none of the bad expierences >>>>>>associated with Michael Cummings Post, I think he is just rubishing chessmaster, >>>>>>what a traitor!!. Anyway folks you just can't lose with this purchase, I am >>>>>>from the old school when programs were a hundred bucks and more!! >>>>>>These prices are a welcome relief!! >>>>> >>>>>I forgot to mention that chessmaster 8000 rates itself at 2843!! on my athlon >>>>>550, obviously too high, unless they mean uscf, and then its still probally too >>>>>high. >>>> >>>>Yes, the ratings are USCF. >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>>Based on my first tournament, using the Fritz 6 Rating thingy, CM8000 got a >>>rating of 2710. Not shabby. >> >>What is the speed of your CPU? >> >>jm > >Dual Celeron 400. As to the ratings, they are relative of course. The actual >value is not useful outside the realm of my little engine tournaments, but you >can use it to get a rough comparisson of the strength of the engines on my >computer. > >Here is my top ten: > >Junior 6.0 2760 - based on 263 games >Fritz 6a 2750 - based on 325 games >Hiarcs 7.32 2718 - based on 184 games >Chessmaster 2712 - based on 12 games >Fritz 5.32 2703 - based on 75 games >Junior 5.0 2678 - based on 60 games >Shredder 2663 - based on 153 games (mostly winboard version 3.0) >Crafty 2634 - based on 2693 games >Nimzo 2634 - based on 1299 games (mostly wbnimzo 2000) >LG2000 2567 - based on 2481 games > >The last three had a lot of games played from winboard tournaments run by other >people. I used the large pgn of winboard engine tournaments as a base for the >rating list. > >Seriously though, if Chessmaster hired a GM to work the opening book (and there >are lots of them in the US that would probably do it too ;)) it would be MUCH >stronger especially in engine vs engine play. Of course, I understand that this >isn't the focus of the engine, or the main use that your market is going to use >it for. But as a realtivly strong player myself, that is the ONE draw back that >makes chessmaster slight inadequte of a study tool. > >Suggestions for winboard engine vs engine stuff also: > >Add the ability to see the output of the engines in tournaments. >Add the ability to see CM variations in engine vs engine tournaments. >Add the ability to adjudicate games in engine vs engine tournaments (annoying >wating for the 50 move rule to take effect in a RvR ending). >Add the result of the previous game to the starting next game window ie: > >Previous game ended in a draw, in the window that announces the next pairing >state the result of the game ... draw by repitiion or whater. > > > >JW Regarding your comments/suggestions: -- It is quite likely that GM Larry Evans is going to completely rewrite the opening book for next year's version of Chessmaster. -- The engine output windows could be added to the tournament room, but turning them on would lower performance, which is probably an undesired side-effect. -- What do you mean by "see CM variations in engine vs. engine tournaments"? -- Adjudication is probably a good idea. I'll see if I can talk the development team into putting it into the patch. -- The result of the previous game is also a good idea... ditto the above comment. jm
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