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Subject: Re: Beta -Testing Proficiency in Rebel Tiger Case

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:54:04 11/22/00

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On November 22, 2000 at 11:05:36, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Just a simple question: if Rebel Tiger cannot mate with bishop and knight, as
>has been said here and nobody has rejected that statement, what kind of work
>beta testers did? Or maybe I am mistaken about what a beta tester does? I
>supposed that it is a heavy work, a systematic effort to grasp problems. Now it
>seems to me it is not so, at least not always. It seems more or less as a review
>where you play the program and from time to time you write a note or two about
>the Gui or something than can appear during the game. So if not bishop+knight
>situation appears, the problems is not grasped. In fact, that kind of endings
>are very rare, but then, if beta testing is just to look at just what appears, I
>wonder which is the difference between betatesting and toying.
>I have never offered myself to beta testing nothing because precisely of that: I
>have no time not the desire to do such a heavy effort in detail. Sometimes in
>the past I have reviewed programs -programs that I have bought- and I did that
>in confessed subjetive terms, so everyone has been free to take it as a
>entertaiment or as some kind of light info, but of course nobody, never, thought
>I was doing a full job of the kind K.K - Alan Tomalty- did.
>So my point is: please, do not engage in such comitments unless you are prepared
>to go to the end. Do not do that because I put my faith in what you test, other
>people put his faith also and so decisions are taken because we think "well, all
>these enthusiastic beta tester cannot be wrong".
>Just a last thing: I do not say this from a disppointment with Rebel Tiger. I
>like it very much and I am sure that anyway Theron will deliver a patch long
>before I ever reach an ending of that kind: in fact it will never happen because
>I always surrender with just one pawn less. My disappointment is with my fellows
>here, specially with those that sometimes make his comments from the highness of
>his status as beta testers but then, out of the blue, facts show thet did not
>perform the work as was due to be done.
>Sorry if I hurt somebody. All this is writen under the premise B+N mates are not
>in Tiger capabilities by now.
>Fernando


I have beta tested lots of hardware and software (no, not chess programs).  In
every case, I was given a specific set of things to try, to test, to play with,
etc.  And then a set of specific questions I had to answer, plus room for
any other comments I had.

The alternative is just to give somebody a copy of something, say "use this for
a while and let me know what you think."  You certainly get less info back that
way.  But it takes less effort on both sides as well.

Formulating a beta test plan, distributing the program, getting the results,
analyzing them, turns into a 'project'...  I don't think chess engine authors
do this sort of detailed plan at all...




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