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Subject: Re: Beta -Testing Proficiency in Rebel Tiger Case

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:41:45 11/22/00

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On November 22, 2000 at 11:05:36, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Just a simple question: if Rebel Tiger cannot mate with bishop and knight, as
>has been said here and nobody has rejected that statement, what kind of work
>beta testers did? Or maybe I am mistaken about what a beta tester does? I
>supposed that it is a heavy work, a systematic effort to grasp problems. Now it
>seems to me it is not so, at least not always. It seems more or less as a review
>where you play the program and from time to time you write a note or two about
>the Gui or something than can appear during the game. So if not bishop+knight
>situation appears, the problems is not grasped. In fact, that kind of endings
>are very rare, but then, if beta testing is just to look at just what appears, I
>wonder which is the difference between betatesting and toying.
>I have never offered myself to beta testing nothing because precisely of that: I
>have no time not the desire to do such a heavy effort in detail. Sometimes in
>the past I have reviewed programs -programs that I have bought- and I did that
>in confessed subjetive terms, so everyone has been free to take it as a
>entertaiment or as some kind of light info, but of course nobody, never, thought
>I was doing a full job of the kind K.K - Alan Tomalty- did.
>So my point is: please, do not engage in such comitments unless you are prepared
>to go to the end. Do not do that because I put my faith in what you test, other
>people put his faith also and so decisions are taken because we think "well, all
>these enthusiastic beta tester cannot be wrong".
>Just a last thing: I do not say this from a disppointment with Rebel Tiger. I
>like it very much and I am sure that anyway Theron will deliver a patch long
>before I ever reach an ending of that kind: in fact it will never happen because
>I always surrender with just one pawn less. My disappointment is with my fellows
>here, specially with those that sometimes make his comments from the highness of
>his status as beta testers but then, out of the blue, facts show thet did not
>perform the work as was due to be done.
>Sorry if I hurt somebody. All this is writen under the premise B+N mates are not
>in Tiger capabilities by now.
>Fernando

I believe that there are a lot of problems that are more important than mating
with bishop and knight if you care about rating points and the problem is going
to be fixed by tablebases so I see no practical reason to work about the
problem.

I see no problem from the customer point of view if (s)he wants to learn how to
mate with bishop and knight because there is an engine that know to mate with
bishop and knight in the Rebel package.

Uri



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