Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 23:39:06 11/22/00
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On November 22, 2000 at 23:04:25, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >Fernando, > >We pretty much knew that the Tigers had trouble with the B+N mates since there >was no tablebase for this. If you play against Rebel Century 3.0 you will find >that Ed has programmed the knowledge to solve the mate with the bishop and the >knight. It may not be as aesthetic as the EGTB route but it gets the job done. > >That most recent B+N mate position here on CCC was solved in between 15 to 17 >moves by Rebel Century 3.0. Maybe Ed did this on purpose so that you all would >play with RC3 more than with Gambit Tiger. RC3 is the last stand for MSDos >since the new 64 bit OS coming next year will not support non-64 and non-32bit >applications. > >If you are hard up for TBs then you can always use the native Lokasoft chess >program included with ChessPartner 5.0 . It is, however, a bit clunky to switch >from a Dos program to a Win 32 app. > >Play Rebel Century 3.0 and you will not be disappointed. It is a better >database manager than the Windows stuff. Eventually, Ed will transform his >program into a 32 or 64 bit application. By the time he puts in EGTBs we will >be getting his program on 3 or 4 DVDs in compressed format for a total of 100 >Gbytes of data. That will include some 6 and 7 man EGTB positions. It will also >include his famous EOC/CAT and over 2,000,000 chess games. There is no end to >this madness. >Then we will probably find something else to complain about. :-) I will regret the day there will be no more complaints. It would mean the perfect GUI, engines > 3000 elo and we can all retire from computer chess. Snif snif... The BN mating routine is in Rebel since 8-10 years or so. I remember it took me an afternoon to program it and one day to test it. Christophe has the code and it is just a matter of his priorities when to include it in his engine. It is the same for me also having lots of good stuff from Christophe to include in Rebel. Priorities and time are the keywords. Ed >Tim Frohlick > >On November 22, 2000 at 11:05:36, Fernando Villegas wrote: > >>Just a simple question: if Rebel Tiger cannot mate with bishop and knight, as >>has been said here and nobody has rejected that statement, what kind of work >>beta testers did? Or maybe I am mistaken about what a beta tester does? I >>supposed that it is a heavy work, a systematic effort to grasp problems. Now it >>seems to me it is not so, at least not always. It seems more or less as a review >>where you play the program and from time to time you write a note or two about >>the Gui or something than can appear during the game. So if not bishop+knight >>situation appears, the problems is not grasped. In fact, that kind of endings >>are very rare, but then, if beta testing is just to look at just what appears, I >>wonder which is the difference between betatesting and toying. >>I have never offered myself to beta testing nothing because precisely of that: I >>have no time not the desire to do such a heavy effort in detail. Sometimes in >>the past I have reviewed programs -programs that I have bought- and I did that >>in confessed subjetive terms, so everyone has been free to take it as a >>entertaiment or as some kind of light info, but of course nobody, never, thought >>I was doing a full job of the kind K.K - Alan Tomalty- did. >>So my point is: please, do not engage in such comitments unless you are prepared >>to go to the end. Do not do that because I put my faith in what you test, other >>people put his faith also and so decisions are taken because we think "well, all >>these enthusiastic beta tester cannot be wrong". >>Just a last thing: I do not say this from a disppointment with Rebel Tiger. I >>like it very much and I am sure that anyway Theron will deliver a patch long >>before I ever reach an ending of that kind: in fact it will never happen because >>I always surrender with just one pawn less. My disappointment is with my fellows >>here, specially with those that sometimes make his comments from the highness of >>his status as beta testers but then, out of the blue, facts show thet did not >>perform the work as was due to be done. >>Sorry if I hurt somebody. All this is writen under the premise B+N mates are not >>in Tiger capabilities by now. >>Fernando
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