Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 02:44:33 11/24/00
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On November 24, 2000 at 03:04:08, Ed Schröder wrote: >On November 23, 2000 at 17:34:30, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On November 23, 2000 at 14:43:57, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On November 22, 2000 at 16:36:44, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>> >>>>On November 22, 2000 at 14:09:59, James T. Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 12:30:31, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 11:51:17, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello Fernando, >>>>>>>I can only tell you there are many problems with all programs. None of them are >>>>>>>perfect. As a beta tester you can only report what you find. There are >>>>>>>literally hundreds of special positions which many programs do not understand. >>>>>>>Tablebases will cure many of these problems but not all. The programmers are >>>>>>>aware of many of the shortcomings of their programs. They make the decision if >>>>>>>it is important enough to fix or forget. I guess they only have so many hours >>>>>>>in a day and they have to decide what is most important at the moment. >>>>>>>Jim >>>>>> >>>>>>OK, Jim, but you must concur with me that B+N mate is not just one problem >>>>>>between many, but a clasic kind of position every current program must solve >>>>>***** >>>>>I agree! I remember when David Kittinger took the B+N mate info out of the >>>>>Forte computer (It was in it's predecessor the Super Constellation). I asked >>>>>him why and he said he needed the memory for something else. I never bought >>>>>another Novag computer after that. >>>>>******* >>>>> >>>>>and >>>>>>every tester must look at as a matter of fact. The same with: >>>>>>a) king + pawn againts King >>>>>>b) King + Rook againts King >>>>>>c) King+ pawn in the h or a file >>>>>>d) oposition rule >>>>>>e) king +queen against king +rook >>>>>>... And maybe some more. I think that these kind of situations should be tested >>>>>>as a minimal test of proficiency. Should be kind of a rule of testing >>>>>>operations. >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>fernando >>>>> >>>>>As I said. Tablebases will fix many of these problems. I am a very strong >>>>>advocate of tablebases even if their contribution to rating points is minimal. >>>>>But I repeat, the final decision as to what a program will or will not do lies >>>>>with the programmer-_N_O_T_ the beta testers. Do you believe Christophe does >>>>>not know that Chess Tiger will not mate with a Knight & Bishop? >>>>>Jim >>>> >>>>I WANT to believe he just missed it. I do not want to believe he delivered us a >>>>so gorgeous program without THAT and with full knowledege. Like to sell a >>>>Mercedes without one of the wheels. >>>>Fernando >>> >>> >>> >>>Yes, that's exactly what I did, Fernando. >>> >>>I'm sorry, but there are other bits of knowledge that I consider as being more >>>essential than KBN/K, and so I started to add those other bits first. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>Hi! > >Hi Bertil, > >>I haven't seen anyone mention another bug. Gambit don't moves at all after the >>opening, start thinking but never moves. I have seen it 3 times after 70-80 >>games. >> >>Yes the program is so exciting and fun that I can't complain at anyone of the >>beta-testers! >> >>The only complain against the beta-testers is that only two mentioned that the >>Century3 auto-player are extremely hard to get working properly.It only works >>well against other DOS-programs. > >On my autoplayer pairs I can play Century 3 against any opponent >DOS or Windows. What may help is to change the timing parameter >of the auto232 driver. > >>They could also have told us that the new Century3 is an excellent >>program that can compete very well against the other top-programs. > >Have you already made up your mind to include Century 3 in the SSDF >list? > >Ed > >>Bertil Hi! Of course we want to include the new interesting and strong Century3! Yes I remember the timing-parameter, I used in the early days of auto232. I can't find my manual and can't remember the letter used. I think it was a letter and a number between 1-9 or 0-9. 5 was default? Can you tell us the letter and parameter that works on your computers. Bertil
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