Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 04:15:58 11/24/00
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On November 24, 2000 at 05:44:33, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On November 24, 2000 at 03:04:08, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On November 23, 2000 at 17:34:30, Bertil Eklund wrote: >> >>>On November 23, 2000 at 14:43:57, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On November 22, 2000 at 16:36:44, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 14:09:59, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 12:30:31, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 11:51:17, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hello Fernando, >>>>>>>>I can only tell you there are many problems with all programs. None of them are >>>>>>>>perfect. As a beta tester you can only report what you find. There are >>>>>>>>literally hundreds of special positions which many programs do not understand. >>>>>>>>Tablebases will cure many of these problems but not all. The programmers are >>>>>>>>aware of many of the shortcomings of their programs. They make the decision if >>>>>>>>it is important enough to fix or forget. I guess they only have so many hours >>>>>>>>in a day and they have to decide what is most important at the moment. >>>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>>OK, Jim, but you must concur with me that B+N mate is not just one problem >>>>>>>between many, but a clasic kind of position every current program must solve >>>>>>***** >>>>>>I agree! I remember when David Kittinger took the B+N mate info out of the >>>>>>Forte computer (It was in it's predecessor the Super Constellation). I asked >>>>>>him why and he said he needed the memory for something else. I never bought >>>>>>another Novag computer after that. >>>>>>******* >>>>>> >>>>>>and >>>>>>>every tester must look at as a matter of fact. The same with: >>>>>>>a) king + pawn againts King >>>>>>>b) King + Rook againts King >>>>>>>c) King+ pawn in the h or a file >>>>>>>d) oposition rule >>>>>>>e) king +queen against king +rook >>>>>>>... And maybe some more. I think that these kind of situations should be tested >>>>>>>as a minimal test of proficiency. Should be kind of a rule of testing >>>>>>>operations. >>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>fernando >>>>>> >>>>>>As I said. Tablebases will fix many of these problems. I am a very strong >>>>>>advocate of tablebases even if their contribution to rating points is minimal. >>>>>>But I repeat, the final decision as to what a program will or will not do lies >>>>>>with the programmer-_N_O_T_ the beta testers. Do you believe Christophe does >>>>>>not know that Chess Tiger will not mate with a Knight & Bishop? >>>>>>Jim >>>>> >>>>>I WANT to believe he just missed it. I do not want to believe he delivered us a >>>>>so gorgeous program without THAT and with full knowledege. Like to sell a >>>>>Mercedes without one of the wheels. >>>>>Fernando >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes, that's exactly what I did, Fernando. >>>> >>>>I'm sorry, but there are other bits of knowledge that I consider as being more >>>>essential than KBN/K, and so I started to add those other bits first. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>>Hi! >> >>Hi Bertil, >> >>>I haven't seen anyone mention another bug. Gambit don't moves at all after the >>>opening, start thinking but never moves. I have seen it 3 times after 70-80 >>>games. >>> >>>Yes the program is so exciting and fun that I can't complain at anyone of the >>>beta-testers! >>> >>>The only complain against the beta-testers is that only two mentioned that the >>>Century3 auto-player are extremely hard to get working properly.It only works >>>well against other DOS-programs. >> >>On my autoplayer pairs I can play Century 3 against any opponent >>DOS or Windows. What may help is to change the timing parameter >>of the auto232 driver. >> >>>They could also have told us that the new Century3 is an excellent >>>program that can compete very well against the other top-programs. >> >>Have you already made up your mind to include Century 3 in the SSDF >>list? >> >>Ed >> >>>Bertil > >Hi! > >Of course we want to include the new interesting and strong Century3! > >Yes I remember the timing-parameter, I used in the early days of auto232. > >I can't find my manual and can't remember the letter used. >I think it was a letter and a number between 1-9 or 0-9. 5 was default? > >Can you tell us the letter and parameter that works on your computers. > >Bertil reb6auto /1 /d6 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 rebel a w8 reb6auto /1 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 I think you will have to experiment with the "d6" value. Ed
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