Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 04:27:58 11/24/00
Go up one level in this thread
On November 24, 2000 at 07:15:58, Ed Schröder wrote: >On November 24, 2000 at 05:44:33, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On November 24, 2000 at 03:04:08, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On November 23, 2000 at 17:34:30, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>> >>>>On November 23, 2000 at 14:43:57, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 16:36:44, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 14:09:59, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 12:30:31, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 22, 2000 at 11:51:17, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hello Fernando, >>>>>>>>>I can only tell you there are many problems with all programs. None of them are >>>>>>>>>perfect. As a beta tester you can only report what you find. There are >>>>>>>>>literally hundreds of special positions which many programs do not understand. >>>>>>>>>Tablebases will cure many of these problems but not all. The programmers are >>>>>>>>>aware of many of the shortcomings of their programs. They make the decision if >>>>>>>>>it is important enough to fix or forget. I guess they only have so many hours >>>>>>>>>in a day and they have to decide what is most important at the moment. >>>>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>OK, Jim, but you must concur with me that B+N mate is not just one problem >>>>>>>>between many, but a clasic kind of position every current program must solve >>>>>>>***** >>>>>>>I agree! I remember when David Kittinger took the B+N mate info out of the >>>>>>>Forte computer (It was in it's predecessor the Super Constellation). I asked >>>>>>>him why and he said he needed the memory for something else. I never bought >>>>>>>another Novag computer after that. >>>>>>>******* >>>>>>> >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>every tester must look at as a matter of fact. The same with: >>>>>>>>a) king + pawn againts King >>>>>>>>b) King + Rook againts King >>>>>>>>c) King+ pawn in the h or a file >>>>>>>>d) oposition rule >>>>>>>>e) king +queen against king +rook >>>>>>>>... And maybe some more. I think that these kind of situations should be tested >>>>>>>>as a minimal test of proficiency. Should be kind of a rule of testing >>>>>>>>operations. >>>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>>fernando >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As I said. Tablebases will fix many of these problems. I am a very strong >>>>>>>advocate of tablebases even if their contribution to rating points is minimal. >>>>>>>But I repeat, the final decision as to what a program will or will not do lies >>>>>>>with the programmer-_N_O_T_ the beta testers. Do you believe Christophe does >>>>>>>not know that Chess Tiger will not mate with a Knight & Bishop? >>>>>>>Jim >>>>>> >>>>>>I WANT to believe he just missed it. I do not want to believe he delivered us a >>>>>>so gorgeous program without THAT and with full knowledege. Like to sell a >>>>>>Mercedes without one of the wheels. >>>>>>Fernando >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes, that's exactly what I did, Fernando. >>>>> >>>>>I'm sorry, but there are other bits of knowledge that I consider as being more >>>>>essential than KBN/K, and so I started to add those other bits first. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>Hi! >>> >>>Hi Bertil, >>> >>>>I haven't seen anyone mention another bug. Gambit don't moves at all after the >>>>opening, start thinking but never moves. I have seen it 3 times after 70-80 >>>>games. >>>> >>>>Yes the program is so exciting and fun that I can't complain at anyone of the >>>>beta-testers! >>>> >>>>The only complain against the beta-testers is that only two mentioned that the >>>>Century3 auto-player are extremely hard to get working properly.It only works >>>>well against other DOS-programs. >>> >>>On my autoplayer pairs I can play Century 3 against any opponent >>>DOS or Windows. What may help is to change the timing parameter >>>of the auto232 driver. >>> >>>>They could also have told us that the new Century3 is an excellent >>>>program that can compete very well against the other top-programs. >>> >>>Have you already made up your mind to include Century 3 in the SSDF >>>list? >>> >>>Ed >>> >>>>Bertil >> >>Hi! >> >>Of course we want to include the new interesting and strong Century3! >> >>Yes I remember the timing-parameter, I used in the early days of auto232. >> >>I can't find my manual and can't remember the letter used. >>I think it was a letter and a number between 1-9 or 0-9. 5 was default? >> >>Can you tell us the letter and parameter that works on your computers. >> >>Bertil > >reb6auto /1 /d6 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 >rebel a w8 >reb6auto /1 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 > >I think you will have to experiment with the "d6" value. > >Ed Thank you very much! Bertil
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.