Author: martin fierz
Date: 01:43:34 11/25/00
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On November 25, 2000 at 03:09:17, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >Tania, > >Go to: > >http://www.triplejump.net/programs2.shtml > >That should tell you all you need to know. I have WCC by Gil Dodgen. It only >announces a win in 80+ moves in a second on an old PII 133. You will never be >able to beat any of these programs by yourself. > >Tim Frohlick > >On November 25, 2000 at 02:40:48, Tania Devora wrote: > >> >> >>I have a very importan question for any of yours. >>I have an old program of checkers! Dynamo Pro , And i like to know many things >>about the strenght of this program...and other things. >> >>Please if any person in this forum like to play Draughts and have the program, >>PLEASE, send me an e-mail, I would like to talk with you... >> >>In checkers i think that all the new programs play like the best chess humans in >>the world. Checkers program are incredible, The new Sage6000 is a monster! I´ll >>like to see the same level of Checker programs, now in Chess programs, >>But i think that it is now, very dificult for the huge and the extense in >>posibilites that have our beautiful chess game. >> >>Thanks a lot! >> >>Tanya,D the triplejump website claims to review 'ALL' available draughts programs, but there are two points about the list: 1) these are not reviews. what they write is just what they read on the websites of these programs. no original input. more like a commercial break... i've really looked at a lot of these programs, and i often disagree with their ratings. 2) the strongest free program is NOT on the list - incidentally, it's mine :-) it's called checkerboard, and you can download it on www.fierz.ch/checkers.htm checkers programs are much better than chess programs if you compare them to the best humans. two reasons: they can search much deeper because of the low effective branching factor of about 2 per ply, and there are 'better' endgame databases available for checkers (schaeffer is giving away his 6-piece database. not the 7- or 8-piece db though). 'better' because nearly ALL checkers games between strong opponents end up in such endgames, while in chess you mostly do NOT end up in the tablebases. on a technical level i am pretty sure that chess programs are much better than checkers programs. there is no championship in checkers which would make people more competitive, too little programs on the market, and not much money to make. my program is one of the strongest, and i don't use any special tricks and i'm neither a programming wizard nor a checkers expert. i just did checkers because it's much easier to program than chess :-) cheers martin
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