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Subject: Even more OT / Re: Internet problem found. Match begins Sunday at 2 pm

Author: Peter Berger

Date: 15:21:33 11/26/00

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On November 26, 2000 at 17:58:04, Chessfun wrote:

>On November 26, 2000 at 17:44:39, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>On November 26, 2000 at 17:14:34, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On November 26, 2000 at 16:56:25, Severi Salminen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 26, 2000 at 16:34:07, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 26, 2000 at 14:09:20, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 26, 2000 at 13:34:17, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 26, 2000 at 12:55:41, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On November 26, 2000 at 04:24:46, Severi Salminen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Not to offed, but you could have posted your three messages of same topic into
>>>>>>>>>>>same thread, not as three separate threads. These are not _that_ important
>>>>>>>>>>>announcements...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Severi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Is every message posted an important announcement?.
>>>>>>>>>>Who makes the determination....you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I don't get your point. Daniel posted 3 times something about his internet
>>>>>>>>>problems. I think he should have posted them to the same thread. It would have
>>>>>>>>>been easier to follow the progress of his problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He can post as many new threads as he sees fit some here
>>>>>>>>>>have expressed interest in watching his games and how he
>>>>>>>>>>decides to post is his choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, just to inform you also, we have this thread system because we could
>>>>>>>>>follow certain topics easier. It has nothing to do with interest to his matches.
>>>>>>>>>It is the same if everybody wants to read them or nobody, it is just a matter of
>>>>>>>>>makeing things clearer. Maybe this place needs some basic rules as many still
>>>>>>>>>don't know simple basics of posting to a forum or NG...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Severi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are right that he should have posted this to one thread, but you aren't
>>>>>>>>going to get a lot of support for the idea of "rules".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Shoulda/woulda/coulda. There are no rules that state he should post
>>>>>>>to one thread. There are people who come here and post and have fun
>>>>>>>doing it. Daniel I think is one of them, to expect that he should follow
>>>>>>>more rules that don't even exist, after the recent blow-up over his headers
>>>>>>>is unfair.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't think it's "unfair" to explain basic newsgroup etiquette to a poster,
>>>>>>especially when it's done politely, as Severi did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe there is some history here that I don't understand, but I think it's
>>>>>>strange that you would take issue with such a simple request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Had he left it after the first sentence I would have had no problem with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>Had I left what? You didn't even answer to my 2 replies after your complaint
>>>>about my advice to Daniel. And what is your problem with my advice? Please read
>>>>my two replies - I don't want to repeat. With the netiquette I am talking in
>>>>those messages this conversation would not be necessery...
>>>>
>>>>Severi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Your advice sounded to much like a dictate.
>>>
>>>"as three separate threads. These are not _that_ important announcements.."
>>>
>>>You could have left it simply after threads, without your statement on
>>>what is important.
>>>
>>>And this conversation wouldn't have been required had you limited your
>>>comments to reasonable ones instead of acting like you are the allmighty.
>>>Who are you to tell him that these are not _that_ important.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>Sorry Sarah , I can't resist .
>>
>>So you think that Daniel losing connection to Internet as the cable of his
>>telephone wasn't at the right place is _that_ an important message of public
>>interest that it should be followed in multiple threads :-) ?
>
>
>I don't think I said that. What I think don't matter, what matters IMO
>is what Daniel thinks. It must be remembered that not all posters are
>adults and should follow rules. We in society have different rules for
>minors why shouldn't that also apply here.
>
>
>>Netiquette and common sense are similar things IMHO ; and being critized isn't
>>_that_ bad ( was my first experience in usenet , I learnt to adapt , at least a
>>little , it didn't do permanent harm to me .. ) ; I agree with Severi that a
>>little more of common usenet posting policy might sometimes help CCC a lot .
>
>
>Yes, but you were not considered by society I assume as a minor.
>Therefore society assumes you will not be damaged, it don't assume
>the same with minors.
>
>Sarah.


I understand your concern now .

When I was twelve I started visiting my local chessclub at Friday nights every
weekend and I was happy to be accepted by the adult members .

As a kid I also didn't know about several unwritten adult-rules I weren't aware
of ; adult club members were more tolerant with me than they would have been
with other adults but at least they told me what was the expected behaviour (
like : " It is not appreciated if you comment on every opponent's move :-) !" )
. I still remember very well that I was eager to learn about these rules ,too ,
not only about he ones on the chessboard but also about the ones of club
"society" .

I would have been seriously offended if I had realized that people treated me
like a little child by not telling me where they thought my behaviour could have
been better .

OK ; but now that is _really_ off-topic now :-)

Greetings,

pete

PS : Not that I see any pattern that following usenet netiquette correlates with
age at all ;-)





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