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Subject: Re: Programs look stupid?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:16:38 11/27/00

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On November 27, 2000 at 09:33:17, Ferdinand S. Mosca wrote:

>On November 27, 2000 at 03:57:06, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 26, 2000 at 19:15:55, Michael Fuhrmann wrote:
>>
>>>A recent post, on which there seemed to be some agreement, mentioned that there
>>>are some positions where the right move is obvious to a decent human player but
>>>not found by even the best programs. Can anyone post an example or two of such a
>>>position where a great program looks stupid? Thanks.
>>
>>Easy
>>
>>[D]rrb4k/1p1p3p/pPpP1K2/P1P2p2/5p2/5P2/6PP/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>You can win programs 2-0 from this position.
>>
>>With black you win by Ra7 and the stupid program take the rook so you can play
>>later v5 free the pieces and win.
>
>Yace does not take the rook in about 6 minutes. It likes h4 and later change to
>Kf7. Maybe on a faster machine the time should be lesser.
>
>Dinan

Maybe it can see a draw by repetition for white by search.

I will give a different position when I believe that white is winning and it is
impossible for program to see a draw by search.

[D]1rb5/rp1p1ppp/pPpP4/P1P5/7k/5K2/3B1PPP/8 w - - 0 1

Can program with white avoid bxa7 that let black free the pieces?

I can give position when program has no chance to see a draw by fortress
position but 1.5-.5 is not enough for me and I try to give a position when every
1600 player can win the programs 2:0 even at correspondence time control.

Uri



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