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Subject: Re: Off topic. Bush wins Florida and becomes new president.

Author: Jay Rinde

Date: 09:57:49 11/27/00

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On November 27, 2000 at 12:36:06, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On November 26, 2000 at 22:23:43, Mark Loftus wrote:
>
>>On November 26, 2000 at 21:28:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 26, 2000 at 19:36:01, Daniel Chancey wrote:
>>>
>>>>Who thinks the rejected votes should've counted and who thinks that the
>>>>electorial college should go?
>>>>
>>>>This is 100% off topic and I apologize for this.
>>>>
>>>>Castle2000
>>>
>>>
>>>1.  Not only is the USA a land of 250 million people, it is _also_ a land of
>>>50 states.  The electoral college gives the small states a voice so that they
>>>are not overrun by a few large states.
>
>The only problem is that the small states still do get overrun by a few large
>states.
>
>>>2.  All votes should be counted.  But _only_ votes should be counted.  Not
>>>ballots where you have to "imagine" what the intent of the voter actually
>>>was.  IE dimples.  Etc.  A bunch of nonsense.  If someone can't cast a vote
>>>properly, then perhaps their vote should not count.  Voting is not rocket
>>>science.  Not if kindergarden kids could use the same ballot as in West Palm
>>>Beach, and have _zero_ errors.
>>>
>>>Yes it is off-topic.  But it is reasonably acceptable so long as it doesn't
>>>turn into an ugly argument...
>>
>>
>>I don't see a problem with the electoral college, those who gave us the
>>Constitution knew what they were doing.
>
>The idea of the Electoral College was conceived originally because those who
>gave us the Constitution didn't want the people to elect the president in the
>first place.  The intent was that a group of rich, land-owning, white guys would
>get together and determine amongst themselves who would be the next president.
>Only later did it get twisted into the current system, where it's
>winner-take-all electoral votes in each state.  And still when this started,
>only the white, land-owning men could vote.  I think that if this were a perfect
>world, the current system _should_ work better, but then communism would lead to
>a utopian society in that perfect world.
>
>The serious flaws in the current electoral system are that:
>
>A) One can lose the popular vote (possibly by a very large margin) but still win
>the electoral vote.
>
>B) Onc can win the popular vote by 51 votes, but completely sweep the electoral
>vote. (Yeah, this would never happen.  But it would look like one candidate was
>by far more popular than another, when in reality it's exactly equal for all
>practical and statistical purposes.)
>
>C) Only about half the states have laws that say
>winner-takes-all-electoral-votes.  In some states, electors can vote for anyone
>they choose, rather than the person "chosen" by that state.
>
>D) In a very close election, it's nearly impossible to get an accurate count on
>votes.  The counting machines have a built-in error rate, and obviously humans
>can make mistakes when counting also.
>
>E) Voting errors, voting fraud, and other nonsense is far too common.  Combined
>with (D), this makes it nearly impossible in some cases to determine who the
>winner should really be.

As in pro football, when the election is close by one percent, have sudden
death.  Sudden death chess!  That  would do it.



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