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Subject: Re: Programs look stupid?(correction to the diagram)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:28:26 11/27/00

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On November 27, 2000 at 17:12:27, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On November 27, 2000 at 11:55:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 2000 at 11:21:36, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 2000 at 10:16:38, Uri Blass wrote:
>>><snipped>
>>>>[D]1rb5/rp1p1ppp/pPpP4/P1P5/7k/5K2/3B1PPP/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Can program with white avoid bxa7 that let black free the pieces?
>>>>
>>>>I can give position when program has no chance to see a draw by fortress
>>>>position but 1.5-.5 is not enough for me and I try to give a position when every
>>>>1600 player can win the programs 2:0 even at correspondence time control.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>I see that the diagram is wrong.
>>>
>>>White can play Kf4 and if Raa8 Kf5 is a forced mate for white.
>>>
>>>I should put the king in a different square so programs cannot use tricks that I
>>>did not mean to use.
>>>
>>>[D]1rb4k/rp1p1ppp/pPpP4/P1P5/8/8/3B1PPP/K7 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Sorry but the position is illegal because the rook not from a8(h8 or promoted
>>pawn) cannot get to a7 or b8 based on the pawn structure.
>>
>>Programs are stupid and cannot see that the position is illegal even if you give
>>them infinite time(I hope that someone will not find a way that I do not imagine
>>to get the rook from h8 or from a1-h1 to b8 or a7 without moving the bishop and
>>without moving a6,b7,c6,d7).
>>
>>It is better to put a queen at a7 and not a rook.
>>
>>black cannot save itself by Qxb6 because after cxb6 black has nothing.
>>
>>programs are probably going to capture the queen as white and lose the game.
>>
>>Here is the position(I hope the final diagram and I hope that there are no
>>mistakes after so many mistakes I am sure about nothing):
>>
>>[D]1rb4k/qp1p1ppp/pPpP4/P1P5/8/8/3B1PPP/K7 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Uri
>
>Does Black have Ra8, Qb8, Qc7 and either way White captures allows Black to
>liberate his rook while the Bishop holds up the passed pawns? I'm a little to
>lazy now to check if this idea is really reasonable.

I think that you are right and this idea is good for black but I believe that
chess programs will not find this idea so I expect to win them with white.

Uri



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