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Subject: Re: Nolot Positions #1

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 22:00:08 11/27/00

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On November 27, 2000 at 19:29:46, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On November 27, 2000 at 19:14:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 2000 at 17:34:07, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 2000 at 12:51:26, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>Position #1
>>>>
>>>>r3qb1k/1b4p1/p2pr2p/3n4/Pnp1N1N1/6RP/1B3PP1/1B1QR1K1 w - -
>>>
>>>Analysis by Gandalf 4.32g:
>>>
>>>1.Ra3 Be7
>>>  -+  (-1.52)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>>>1.Qc1
>>>  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>>>1.Qc1 Be7
>>>  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>>>1.Qc1 Rc8 2.Ra3
>>>  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>>1.Qc1 Qxa4 2.Qxc4 Nf4
>>>  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>>>1.Qc1 Nd3 2.Bxd3 cxd3 3.f3 Qxa4
>>>  µ  (-1.31)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  57kN
>>>1.Qd4
>>>  µ  (-1.29)   Depth: 5   00:00:01  57kN
>>>1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Nxh6 Nf6 3.Nxf6 Rxe1+ 4.Kh2
>>>  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 5   00:00:01  100kN
>>>1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Ne3 Nxe3 3.Rexe3 Qf7 4.Nc3 Rxe3 5.Qxe3
>>>  µ  (-1.04)   Depth: 6   00:00:02  250kN
>>>1.Qd4
>>>  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 7   00:00:08  950kN
>>>1.Qd4 Nf4 2.Qxc4 Qxa4 3.Qc7 Bxe4 4.Bxe4 Ne2+ 5.Rxe2 Qd1+
>>>  ³  (-0.49)   Depth: 7   00:00:14  1800kN
>>>1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Nxh6 Rc7 3.Nxd6 Rxe1+ 4.Kh2 Nc2 5.Nhf7+ Rxf7
>>>  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 8   00:00:46  7200kN
>>>1.Qd4 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 d5 4.Rc7 Qb8 5.Rd7 dxe4
>>>  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 9   00:01:52  19850kN
>>>1.Qd4 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Qxb4 Nxe4 4.Qxb7 Rb8 5.Qxb8 Qxb8
>>>  -+  (-1.68)   Depth: 10   00:07:21  73200kN
>>>1.Kh2
>>>  -+  (-1.66)   Depth: 10   00:10:11  100800kN
>>>1.Kh2 c3 2.Nxh6 Rxh6 3.Nxc3 Qf7 4.Nxd5 Nxd5 5.Qb3 Rc8
>>>  µ  (-1.10)   Depth: 10   00:14:19  140650kN
>>>1.Nxh6
>>>  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 10   00:18:39  183300kN
>>>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Kf1 Rxh6 3.Nxc3 Qf7 4.Qg4 a5 5.Rf3 Nf6
>>>  µ  (-1.07)   Depth: 10   00:19:23  190850kN
>>>1.Nxh6
>>>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 11   00:30:00  294850kN
>>>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Nf5 cxb2 3.Qg4 g6 4.Re2 Qd7 5.Nd4 Re7
>>>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 11   00:35:37  346900kN
>>>
>>>Stopped analysis after 40 minutes on an A800 with 56Mb hash.
>>>
>>>Best wishes...
>>>Mogens
>>
>>This looks like a case of "right move" but "wrong reason".  Which is the thing
>>the Nolot test is supposed to detect...
>
>The first 5 moves of PV are correct.  The 6th ply move (3. ... g6) is supposedly
>refuted by 4. Kh2!
>
>I don't know that any program has ever done better than this, including DT.  I
>don't have the DB results because those aren't public.
>
>Other programs have found this line, but I don't think that any program has
>proven that it wins.
>
>The original article mentioned that DT found the line after an overnight search,
>but there was no mention of the score returned.
>
>Mine has found this for several years, but it returns a slightly negative score.
> The line it currently produces is not very good.

Here is what Phalanx says:

 10    -45 25392 40682085  Qd1-d4  Ra8-c8  Ng4-e3  Qe8-f7  Ne3xc4  Nd5-f6
                           Nc4-d2  Nb4-c2  Bb1xc2  Rc8xc2  Rg3-e3  Bf8-e7
 10 ->   8:01.71 75703860   0 turns
 11    -45 127898 203264517  Qd1-d4  ??
 11   -222 142673 227390399  Qd1-d4  Pc4-c3  Bb2xc3  Nd5xc3  Rg3xc3  Pd6-d5
                           Rc3-c7  Bb7-c6  Ng4-e3  Pd5xe4  Pa4-a5
 11   -217 170152 267322772  Ng4xh6  !
 11   -103 205672 324070501  Ng4xh6  Pc4-c3  Nh6-f5  Pc3xb2  Qd1-g4  Pg7-g6
                           Nf5-h4  Kh8-g7  Nh4xg6  Re6xg6  Qg4xg6  Qe8xg6
                           Rg3xg6  Kg7xg6  Ne4xd6  Kg6-g7  Nd6xb7



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