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Subject: Re: PV Maximums (plies and characters) in CM8000

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 20:22:21 11/28/00

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On November 28, 2000 at 22:04:29, John Merlino wrote:

>On November 28, 2000 at 16:37:28, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On November 28, 2000 at 16:28:26, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On November 28, 2000 at 16:21:33, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 27, 2000 at 18:35:09, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I cannot remember who asked this, nor on what thread the question was asked, so
>>>>>I'm just posting this here on the hopes that the person who asked me will find
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>The question was: What are the maximums, both in plies and in characters, that
>>>>>The King/CM8000 supports?
>>>>>
>>>>>Answer: The King has an internal maximum PV length of 63 plies, and the GUI
>>>>>supports PV strings that are up to 2048 characters long.
>>>>>
>>>>>jm
>>>>
>>>>Hello John,
>>>>I think the question was how many plies will CM8K search.  I gave it the
>>>>following position from the endgame tutorials.
>>>>
>>>>8/p7/P7/8/8/6K1/8/6k1 b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Chessmaster 8000 searched 46 plies in about 2 seconds and stopped (Infinite
>>>>level).  The clock continued to run but CM8K was not searching anymore.  This
>>>>looks like a bug to me.
>>>>Jim
>>>
>>>Well, that's exactly what happens to me too, but I'm not SURE it's a bug.
>>>Obviously, infinite time means that the engine will never return a move (it's
>>>basically the same as analyze mode). However, the engine stopping might be
>>>something intentional in Johan's code. I'll ask him and get back to you as soon
>>>as he gets back to me....
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>Thanks John,
>>Well you can select 99 plies in the personality setup so I expect that it should
>>go that far in infinite level.   That's why I suspect it's a bug.  Also if it's
>>not going to compute anymore then it should kick out a move and stop it's clock
>>even in the infinite mode.
>>Jim
>
>I got a response from Johan. I was incorrect about the max PV length for The
>King. It has a maximum of (gee whiz) 46 plies, and 200 characters. The GUI, as
>mentioned above, can support up to 2048 characters of PV text from other
>engines, however.
>
>I imagine that the reason that 99 plies was set as a maximum was just for the
>future, and possibly even because they didn't know what The King's maximum PV
>length was when that code was written!
>
>Sorry about the confusion.
>
>jm

Thanks again John,
It's great to get some info rather than sit around wondering.  Tell Johan that
46 plies is not enough with todays fast computers.  If it takes only 2 seconds
then the number of plies should be increased to say 99? :-)  I still think that
if it is finished searching then it should kick out an answer even if it is on
the "Infinite" level.
Jim



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