Author: Amir Ban
Date: 05:11:58 11/30/00
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On November 30, 2000 at 04:10:05, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On November 29, 2000 at 07:17:57, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On November 29, 2000 at 05:48:05, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >> >>>On November 29, 2000 at 05:04:18, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>Nolot #1: >>> >>>>17 minutes is not a fast solving time for this position. >>> >>>What would you consider a fast solving time for this position? >> >>Anything under 2 minutes. This is analysis from a version I'm currently testing: >> >> >>r3qb1k/1b4p1/p2pr2p/3n4/Pnp1N1N1/6RP/1B3PP1/1B1QR1K1 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Junior x.1: >> >>1.a5 Rb8 >> ³ (-0.29) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Qd4 Nf4 2.Rge3 Nbd3 >> = (-0.02) Depth: 6 00:00:00 18kN >>1.Qd4 Nf4 2.Rge3 Nbd3 >> = (-0.02) Depth: 6 00:00:00 18kN >>1.Qd4 Nf4 2.Rge3 Nbd3 >> = (-0.02) Depth: 6 00:00:00 18kN >>1.Qd4 Nf4 2.Rge3 Nbd3 >> = (-0.02) Depth: 6 00:00:00 18kN >>1.Qd4 Nf4 2.Rge3 Nbd3 3.Bxd3 Nxd3 4.Rxd3 cxd3 >> ³ (-0.35) Depth: 9 00:00:00 237kN >>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 Bxe4 4.Bxe4 Rxe4 5.Nf7+ Kg8 6.Rce3 >> ³ (-0.26) Depth: 9 00:00:01 766kN >>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 Bxe4 4.Bxe4 Rxe4 5.Nf7+ Kg8 6.Rxe4 Qxe4 7.Rc7 Nd5 >>8.Rb7 >> ³ (-0.26) Depth: 12 00:00:23 9682kN >>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Kh2 Rxh6 3.Ng5 Qd7 4.Qg4 Qc7 5.Ne6 Qc8 6.Ng5 Kg8 7.Bf5 cxb2 8.Bxc8 >>Rxc8 9.Ne6 >> = (-0.12) Depth: 14 00:02:57 69608kN >>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Kh2 Rxh6 3.Ng5 Qd7 4.Qg4 Qc7 5.Ne6 Qf7 6.Ng5 >> = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:06:31 147930kN >>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Kh2 Rxh6 3.Ng5 Qd7 4.Qg4 Qc7 5.Ne6 Qf7 6.Ng5 >> = (0.00) Depth: 16 00:14:43 322408kN >>1.Nxh6 c3 2.Ba1 Rxh6 3.Nxc3 Qh5 4.Qd4 Qf7 5.Rf3 Qc7 6.Rg3 Qc5 7.Qxc5 dxc5 8.Bg6 >> = (-0.03) Depth: 17 00:49:45 1013974kN > >It takes mine 40 minutes on a quad 450 to get a positive score of not quite a >pawn. It takes it a couple of minutes to find it at all on that machine, which >is slow. Sometimes it finds it faster, and sometimes it has a better line right >off. > >Your final line isn't the line that seems to be the solution. You want 1. Nxh6 >c3 2. Nf5 cxb2 3. Qg4 at least, I think, in order to be on the road to a real >tactical crush. > Right, but it seems this move can be played for lesser reasons, at least according to some point of view. >You seem to have something turned up pretty high if you find a pawn compensation >without really searching anything, and you are willing to play the key move >after one second. Are you trying to change Junior's style? > Junior is undergoing great changes since after Dortmund. I think it was obvious at London, where I started experimenting with new stuff, and in the recent public games it played. >I run these every day at 5 minutes per, but I seldom look at the output, I just >keep the stuff so I can compare later. > >Can you find the key in position 8? I noticed today that one of my versions had >found it with a score of +0.5, I don't know why. That one is supposedly broken, >according to DT, but perhaps it pops up if you speculate (or have bugs). > Yes, this is one of the positions that I can pick up, with tail wind and the right sunspot configuration. Here's the analysis (Celeron 400): r3rbk1/ppq2ppp/2b1pB2/8/6Q1/1P1B3P/P1P2PP1/R2R2K1 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Junior x.1: 1.Qh4 h6 2.Qg4 Kh8 3.Bd4 Red8 ² (0.41) Depth: 6 00:00:00 10kN 1.a4 Kh8 2.Bd4 e5 3.Bc3 ² (0.52) Depth: 6 00:00:00 12kN 1.Qh5 g6 2.Qg5 Bg7 3.a4 Bxf6 ± (0.80) Depth: 6 00:00:00 16kN 1.Re1 Rac8 2.Rad1 ± (0.90) Depth: 6 00:00:00 22kN 1.Re1 Rac8 2.Be5 Qb6 3.Rad1 Qc5 ± (0.84) Depth: 9 00:00:00 58kN 1.Re1 Rac8 2.Rad1 b5 3.Be5 Qb7 4.a4 ± (0.81) Depth: 12 00:00:02 660kN 1.Re1 Red8 2.Bxd8 Rxd8 3.Rad1 Bd6 4.g3 e5 ± (0.82) Depth: 14 00:00:18 6180kN 1.Re1 Red8 2.Re5 h6 3.Re3 Rd5 4.Rd1 h5 5.Qg3 ² (0.69) Depth: 16 00:01:13 23374kN 1.a4 Rac8 2.Re1 h6 3.Rad1 Kh8 4.Be5 Qb6 5.Qf4 f6 6.Bc3 ± (0.73) Depth: 16 00:02:38 49833kN 1.Bxh7+ Kxh7 2.Qh5+ Kg8 3.Rd4 gxf6 4.Rg4+ Bg7 5.Qh6 Kf8 6.Rxg7 Rec8 7.c4 Ke8 8.Rd1 Qe5 ± (0.94) Depth: 16 00:05:00 92903kN 1.Bxh7+ Kxh7 2.Qh5+ Kg8 3.Rd4 gxf6 4.Rg4+ Bg7 5.Qh6 Kf8 6.Rxg7 Rec8 7.c4 Qd8 8.Re1 Qd4 ± (1.00) Depth: 17 00:07:12 127403kN (Ban, M-Systems 30.11.2000) Amir
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