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Subject: Re: Rebel Tiger save game features question...

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 13:17:35 11/30/00

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I agree 100%.  Plus, anything positive Microsoft has done with GUIs they learned
from Apple (who ain't perfect either).

Fritz, by the way, could use a few improvements too.  But chess-wise, its
features are still the best.  I desparately wish Tiger II's "variations"
features were half as good as Fritz's.  (For example, it would be really nice to
be able to promote a subvariation over its parent variation, as you can in
Fritz.)


On November 30, 2000 at 07:11:03, Ratko V Tomic wrote:

>> Look in the File menu, your most recently opened databases are
>> listed at the bottom of the menu, good chance you have stored them
>> in one of those.
>
>The "Open Database" option (in Tiger II) seems to go always to folder "My
>Documents" like Microsoft Office or IE products. After I waste time navigating
>to the entirely different drive & folder, to where Tiger II databases are, and
>select the database, next time I restart Tiger II, it still goes back to "My
>Documents."
>
>Generally, the UI seems to lack any memory between program activations (or its
>installed folders) where the stuff is and on every Common Dialog for file
>open/save goes to Microsoft Office default folders, wasting user time to
>navigate to the folder used last time (which are in Tiger's install folder in
>the first place and ought to be defualt the 1st time anyway; later the default
>should be wherever user picked database last time.)
>
>There are several reasons one should not keep their data files (of any sort) in
>"c:\My Documents," one it piles up needlessly on C drive (and Windows becomes
>very flaky when its install drive gets nearly full). More importantly, Microsoft
>(and Netscape) communication products have had series of bugs (or backdoor
>"features" depending on perspective) where a site can access and read (or even
>write) your files provided they can guess where the file is. Similarly, number
>of "spyware" products (attached to various "free" communication utilities or
>games) transmits data to their home base. In either case, putting your data
>files in the Microsoft suggested folders (the practice which somehow meshes a
>bit too well with their bugs/backdoors) makes your data much more vulnerable to
>either malicious web sites or viruses (which naturally will mess up the standard
>places, e.g. My Documents, first). It is also very annoying to keep anything in
>folders names "My Documents" "My Web" "My Favorites" ... -- the whole computer
>is mine anyway, while this naming scheme implies that the rest of my hard disks
>is Microsoft's and only what Microsoft generously labels "My" is mine (well
>thanks a lot, Mr. Gates for having me in mind).
>
>A suggestion for the next UI version would be to remember a bit more, especially
>its installation folders and the folders used last time. Basically, anything
>where user has spent his time typing/navigating as explicit input (of folders,
>choices,...) should be sticky, the program ought to remember it and use it as
>default offer on the same question the next time (including accross program
>activations). Why should user have to waste time navigating so the program could
>save 100 bytes on saved folder name or programmer a few lines of code to save &
>restore it? That kind of "economy" stopped making sense ever since disks
>exceeded 160K (at least).
>
>Another UI suggesiton would be to disable splash screen & its sound effects. I
>renamed splash image file and that did prevent it from being displayed, but the
>program apparently still wastes my time every time I run it waiting through its
>splash-screen timeout.
>
>There also seems to be a bug in overlapped database window repainting, when it
>overlaps with a large chess board -- when database is behind the chessboard,
>clicking on the database window area places it on top everywhere except on the
>top of chessboard. I have to maximize it, then reduce size again to have it come
>on top of chessboard. Similarly when I want to go back to chessboard, I have to
>click on every sub-window (board, moves, status, etc) to get the database window
>to go behind. Compare all this hassle to the Chessbase's single click back and
>forth between database & playing screen.
>
>The first bug above with overlapped windows is probably due to improper handling
>of window repaint when user has set his Explorer shell to "Show window content
>while dragging" (have you tested window switching under such shell setting?).
>The second problem (when going away from database) is the result of the
>overly-literal adherence to the Microsoft's shell & Notepad default behaviors &
>settings. Well, not all applications are shells or text editors, there is no
>reason to mimick mindlessly those conventions (which aren't that well though
>out, to start with, even in their domain) in every application to the last dot.
>I think you should play a bit with Chessbase UI, then yours and see which one
>wastes more user time on common operations (such as going back & forth to
>database & play). If anyone's UI should be mimicked by other chess programs, it
>should be Chessbase UI, and surely the last one to mimick should be Microsoft
>Notepad (which is about the worst editor anyone, ever, thought up). You can also
>check the website "Software Hall of Shame" at:
>
>  http://www.iarchitect.com/index.htm
>
>which has many commercial product examples of bad UI (including Microsoft's
>products, Notepad and Explorer shell especially, and their conventions mimicked
>by others). I think the future versions of CP would benefit from learning a
>lesson from some of those examples. However incredible it may sound to some,
>Microsoft doesn't always know best (or means always the best, at least not for
>the end-user).



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