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Subject: Re: preprocessing

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:22:45 12/01/00

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On December 01, 2000 at 10:26:44, James T. Walker wrote:

>On December 01, 2000 at 09:45:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 01, 2000 at 09:16:12, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>i was wondering about some evaluations which fritz 5.00 gives me for the
>>>following position:
>>>
>>>[D]1k1r3r/p1p1n3/1pq1p2p/P3Ppp1/2QP4/8/2P1NPPP/RR4K1 w - - 0 0
>>>
>>>the black king is under attack, but fritz gives about +1.5 on depth 11
>>>for qxc6 (to be fair, this is only the second-best move according to fritz).
>>>after you play out the moves qxc6 nxc6 the evaluation drops immediately to 0,
>>>which is obviously a better evaluation for the position after the queen
>>>exchange.
>>>is this an example for preprocessing in action - bad black king AND queens on
>>>the board?
>>
>>Yes
>>
>><snipped>
>>> and if yes: which programs do NOT make this type of mistake?
>>
>>Gandalf does not do preprocessing and I believe that there are a lot of programs
>>that do not do this kind of mistake.
>>
>>My experience with chessmaster6000,hiarcs7.32 and Junior also suggest that they
>>are better than Fritz5 in avoiding preproccesing.
>>
>>I believe that Fritz5 does more preprocessing than most programs.
>>
>>I have not Fritz6a but I read that Fritz6 is clearly better in avoiding
>>preprocessing and this is one of the reasons thast fritz6a is better.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I gave this to Fritz 6 and it has +1.34 with Qa6.  I think the evaluation is OK
>but exchanging Queens kills the attack.  Fritz 6 seems to try to avoid this
>exchange.
>Jim

The question is what is the evaluation of Qxc6 in the original position.

I understood from the first post that Fritz5 also did not play Qxc6 but
evaluated it as the second best move with evaluation of +1.5 at depth 11 when
you give it 2 options.
The question is what is the evaluation of fritz6 when you give it enough options
to give a score to Qxc6.

Uri



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