Author: Howard Exner
Date: 12:04:54 12/02/00
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On December 02, 2000 at 14:27:16, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 02, 2000 at 11:31:09, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On December 02, 2000 at 09:02:00, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On December 02, 2000 at 08:49:29, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>The correct URL is: >>>> >>>>http://www.rebel.nl/rebwiel.htm >>>> >>>> >>>>On December 02, 2000 at 08:47:41, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>So far received 90 votes for the match prediction GM v/d Wiel vs Rebel: >>>>> >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 0 - 6 2 2.2% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel ½ - 5½ 0 0.0% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 1 - 5 0 0.0% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 1½ - 4½ 5 5.6% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 2 - 4 16 17.8% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 2½ - 3½ 12 13.3% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 3 - 3 18 20.0% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 3½ - 2½ 20 22.2% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 4 - 2 9 10.0% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 4½ - 1½ 5 5.6% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 5 - 1 0 0.0% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 5½ - ½ 1 1.1% >>>>>John v/d Wiel versus Rebel 6 - 0 2 2.2% >>>>> >>>>>Number of predictions so far : 90 >>>>> >>>>>GM John v/d Wiel will win : 41.1% >>>>>The match will end in a draw : 20.0% >>>>>Rebel will win the match : 38.9% >>>>> >>>>>Please subscribe your opinion to: >>>>> >>>>>http://rebel.nl/rebwiel.htm >>>>> >>>>>Added are a few small prizes for those who predict correct. >>>>> >>>>>Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>>Ed Schroder >>> >>> >>>Can I ask what kind of payment incentive does VD Wiel get >>>for winning 1) The match?, 2) Each game? >>> >>>I just want to find out what type of incentive exists for >>>him to try to win say game 6 if he is up 3-1/2 - 1-1/2. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >>I am not sure if this free information. I will have to ask the >>organizer first. >> >>Ed > >I think that this is important information for the prediction. > >I expect John v/d Wiel to prepare better if there is more money to earn from >scoring more points. > >I hope that the payment is based on the principle that the money is proportional >to the number of points that he get(He may get also money for playing). > >If he gets also money from winning the match than he has a reason not to try to >do his best. But many chess players, even at much lower levels than GMs, utterly despise losing. They often times feel it is their right to dominate certain opponents. A draw in many cases is viewed as failure. So motivation to win even with no payment is high, especially from someone who has never lost to a computer in a public event. > >He may try to draw if he leads 3-1 or 3-2 even if he has better chances. That would still tell us something about the computer strength or weakness. That is, if van der Wiel starts off with 3-1 then easily draws the next two games. I believe a straight payment for a match win would be sufficient, just like any other human vs human match. >He also may try to win without objective basis if the result is 2.5-2.5 assuming >that the difference in money between 3-3 and winning 3.5-2.5 is not the same as >the difference between 3-3 and losing 3.5-2.5. >I do not want it to happen. > >I hope that the payement is something like this: > >1000$ for 0 points >2000$ for 0.5 points >3000$ for 1 points >4000$ for 1.5 points >5000$ for 2 points >6000$ for 2.5 points >7000$ for 3 points >8000$ for 3.5 points >9000$ for 4 points >10000$ for 4.5 points >11000$ for 5 points >12000$ for 5.5 points >13000$ for 6 points. This is the kind of match that meets all the requirements of a tough, fair competition. Many have wanted the following in a computer-human match... 1. A tough, computer savy GM. 2. Standard time controls. 3. A series of more than one or two games to test how the human can adjust to the computer opponent. 4. Having a human opponent that has access to the computer program beforehand, unlike the Kasparov - Deep Blue contest where DB was shrouded in secrecy. 5. Decent playing conditions for the human player.
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