Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 08:53:32 12/03/00
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On December 03, 2000 at 10:55:35, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >>Marcus Kästner claimed that he has tested the Shredder London version or even >>beta versions after that. He also claimed that he has played many test games >>with this versions at tournament time controls and found out that Shredder is >>inferior to my competitors programs. > >what new nonsense do you say now???? Why is this nonsense and why is this new to you? >before the wcc i have claimed that shredder is superior to others at that time. >obviously i cannot have tested the after-london-version at that time. Your claim I was talking about was made after London. You couldn't have tested the London version or versions after that and you still made this claim giving everybody the impression that you have tested this versions extensively. >>In reality he couldn’t have done that as he >>didn’t have any version of Shredder after June 2000, so his statements were not >>based on facts but on his believe which is fine if he had said so. >> >>We asked him to stop and as he didn’t react we tried to forbid him to do so. He >>still refused, that’s why the whole thing went to court. This happened last >week > >are you dreaming? >this happened end of september. to refresh your recall take a look here: > >http://mitglied.tripod.de/ChessBits/index.html The meeting at the court was last week. >>and finally the court forbid Marcus to publish results of beta versions of >>Shredder he didn’t have which sounds logical to me. Also I don’t think that >>German courts are famous for random judgements. > >oh no, my boy. not finally. this was only the decision in the "accelerated >lawsuit were the decision depends only on your statement and my statement. and >so you said that a version 4.xx is not a betaversion of version 5, the judges >thought that it is a betaversion of version 4! I have claimed that version 4.16 to 4.24 and 5 differ significantly which is true. How about YOUR arguments at the court? Are YOU ready to repeat them here? Do you allow ME to quote them here? >now the normal lawsuite is starting where the judges will start the normal >hearing of evidence. > >so we are far away from a final decision especially when we go through all the >instances. It should be clear now who doesn't want to stop this. >>Also some weeks ago two friends of mine asked me if they should try to stop this >>and convince Marcus to agree to settle down this thing. I agreed but they both >>didn’t succeed in convincing Marcus. > >(laughing) you are a master of turning facts. as your boss. Which facts did I turn? >first time elvis tried to moderate. thank you for that, elvis. >but the proposal of weiner/meyer-kahlen was too funny to follow: >they sued me with nonsense, and if i would be willing to overtake half of the >costs (about $1000) they(!) did produce, they wanted to stop. > >very nice proposal, isn´t it? We suggested to share all the costs which is reasonable and the way how settlements are usually made. After last weeks judgement YOU have to pay ALL costs. Enerybody able to calculate can tell which one would have been better for you. >second time sandro tried to moderate. in many many discussions he tried to >convince me that stefan feels uncomfortable with the situation and i should make >the first step to call him. at the end i believed him and i was only one >millimeter away from picking up the phone. now i´m happy that i did not, because >the last days and also this new posting from stefan shows very clearly that not >only ossi stands behind that mud. stefan stands full behind this war of >extermination. Relax Marcus, it is not a "war of extermination" it is an attempt to stop you publishing FALSE information. You can call that "mud" if you want to. Sandro was trying to solve this is issue as it would have been best for you, for me and for computer chess. >>We DO NOT want to and we can’t forbid Marcus to publish tests of Shredder5 AFTER >>its release. > >huh? >that sounds new!!!! Is it? So take a closer look at last week's judgement of the court. >last year the ssdf was forbidden to publish results! >and: take a look into the license-agreement of shredder 5! there they forbid >ANYBODY to publish games/results! > >everybody now can see again how trustworthy this genius programmer is! > >> >>Another issue in this story is the opening thing at London. This was NOT the >>main issue in this case at the court and we are NOT suing Marcus to have used >>insider knowledge against me. To be honest I also do not care anymore if he did > >oh no. one person here must be paranoic. Yes, I agree with you here. >in the court-letter they accused me for a false oath of manifestation on this >topic! > >>or not because it’s history now and won’t happen again. But as this is also >>brought up here again and again I will give you my view about this also. >> >>Ed, Christophe and Jeroen: I am ready to believe you that Jeroen was the one who >>did the opening choice in London if you all say so, but there is one problem: In >>his magazine Marcus Kaestner describes in details how HE prepared Tiger against >>various opponents, for example on page 17 against Nimzo. He also claimed that > >of course. i was the tiger operator. and if i (as operator) see that things are >going wrong i have to react. and so we have had only sicilian books with black, >i decided to play without book against nimzo! > >and in this report there also is published, that i was not able to change the >openings, that´s why i have had to play without book! I leave it to everybody interested to read you report and make his own picture of the story. >>he >>has recommended a line against Shredder in the Belgrade Gambit to Ed and showed >>him a 20 moves long line that he expected Shredder to play 5 minutes BEFORE the >>game (page 13), well, it WAS the line that Shredder finally played… So there is >>something wrong here. Either Marcus Kaestner HAD influence on the opening > >yes, ed was willing to play belgrade gambit. i tried to convince him not to >play. but as i had no influence, he made the decision to play belgrade-gambit >and i showed him the line which will come on the board in my opinion, because >it´s very popular. > >where was i responsible for the opening-choice, eh? Again, read your own article. You can't tell A there and B here. I call recommending and showing a specific opening line til move 20 which will probably be played by the opponent five minutes before the game HAVING influence on the opening choice. >>Now Marcus Kaestner accuses us in public to have cheated the judges on purpose >>which we asked him to stop doing. > >i will not stop things which are true even if you want me to stop. So YOU don't want to stop this thing. Why do you call it OUR war if YOU don't want to stop this? How comes the judge at the court made you the suggestion to settle down this thing which you didn't follow? Why do you give everybody the impression that we are trying to kill you where you are the one who isn't willing to settle things down even if this was recommended to you at court and suggested to you before going to court? Come on Marcus, please stop your poor little Marcus thing. >>Marcus Kaestner is playing the role of “poor little innocent Marcus against the >>evil empire that is trying to destroy” him quite successful. I just want you to > >successful? we will see... > >>know the whole thing or at least my point of view before you start giving moral >>support or collecting money. > >it seems that you are afraid of some things. >you have to be... I am not sure I have understood this. Did I get this right that you are threatening me with something? Stefan
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