Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:14:56 12/03/00
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On December 03, 2000 at 06:22:37, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>On December 02, 2000 at 21:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2000 at 14:11:54, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 2000 at 12:20:41, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 11:11:27, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 10:11:52, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 06:18:32, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 01, 2000 at 17:39:35, Franck ZIBI wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hello Thomas,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes Kamikaze Shredder needs 10Min.26sec. on my AMD K6-2+ 600Mhz in the 12ply.
>>>>>>>>That's simply impressive, what's the Shredder Eval at ply 12 ?
>>>>>>>>Does it see the win or consider it as a draw ?
>>>>>>>>I was already impressed by Shredder in London (WMCCC) where it found a narrow
>>>>>>>>escape against Nimzo thanks to (among all) its tactical power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi Frank,what about a little goody? Will i get your new version of ZChess?
>>>>>>>>You will find the last beta version of ZChess (Version 2.22) at :
>>>>>>>>http://myweb.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess/beta/zchess.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you already have ZChess 2.0, you need only the following
>>>>>>>>(much smaller) file :
>>>>>>>>http://myweb.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess/beta/zchexe.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This version appears to be between 60 and 80 elo point stronger then
>>>>>>>>ZChess 2.0 London.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Best Regards.
>>>>>>>The final evalution of Kamikaze Shredder on ply 12 is +1,14 for White.
>>>>>>>Thanks for ZChess 2.22, works fine under S5.Go on ZChess.
>>>>>>>Greetings Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think that the evaluations and the results of kamikaze shredder are not
>>>>>>interesting because I am sure that it is easy to generate weak personalities of
>>>>>>other chess programs that find the right move in this case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is more interesting to know how much time does shredder5 need to find the
>>>>>>right move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>I don´t think so. Mabe Kamikaze Shredder plays stronger as Shredder 5.
>>>>>See Gambit Tiger and Tiger 13.0. I will play tournament games the next days if i
>>>>>can organize my time good.
>>>>>Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't think you can compare Chess Tiger 13.0 + Gambit Tiger 1.0 with Shredder
>>>>5 + Kamikaze Shredder.
>>>>
>>>>Gambit Tiger 1.0 is a genuine and honest attempt to improve both the engine and
>>>>the playing strength, while Kamikaze Shredder is obviously a commercial attempt
>>>>to jump on the bandwagon.
>>>
>>>Is it?
>>>
>>>Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>>I wonder whose idea it is. Is it yours, or Weiner's?
>
>It was my idea.
>
>>BTW when I was looking for a name for what is now "Gambit Tiger", the name
>>"Kamikaze" came to my mind. I rejected it because Gambit Tiger is NOT a
>>kamikaze. It can play quietly when needed.
>
>You might be surprised, but there is also a Gambit Shredder on the Shredder5 CD,
I'm not surprised. I already knew you have copied the name "Gambit".
>as well as a Shredder Bean Counter, a Shredder Brute Force, a Solid Shredder.
>All have different playing styles but have a similiar strength. You can use all
>simultaneously for analysis to get different view for a certain positions or use
>them together in the triple brain.
>
>What's your problem?
I'm a little bit disappointed.
After winning the W(M)CCC several times, I thought you would position yourself
as a leader and defend your own ideas, your own flag, your own name.
Jumping in the bandwagon and sticking the name "Gambit" on one of your engines,
after Gambit Tiger won both the French and Dutch championship is not what I was
expecting from a leader.
By doing so you position yourself as a follower.
I know this is common commercial practice to play on the name confusion in order
to fool the customer. "Gambit Tiger" and "Gambit Shredder" sound so close that
it is indeed possible that some people buy your product thinking they are buying
mine. How many of them? 1%? 2%? Is it worth selling your soul?
But in this case you could simply have produced an engine named "Deep Flu" or
something similar, and would probably attract more people. At least there are
several engines that are prefixed with "Deep" nowadays, so it sounds like
somebody else already jumped in this bandwagon.
What would you say if my colleague Ed produced an engine named "Shroeder" and
played on the confusion with the name of the engine that has won the last WMCCC?
Mmmhh... Maybe I could suggest that to Ed? ;)
No, I know that, by principle, he would never do that.
Christophe
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