Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 10:03:59 12/03/00
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On December 03, 2000 at 12:14:56, Christophe Theron wrote: >On December 03, 2000 at 06:22:37, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>On December 02, 2000 at 21:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On December 02, 2000 at 14:11:54, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>> >>>>On December 02, 2000 at 12:20:41, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 11:11:27, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 10:11:52, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 06:18:32, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 01, 2000 at 17:39:35, Franck ZIBI wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hello Thomas, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yes Kamikaze Shredder needs 10Min.26sec. on my AMD K6-2+ 600Mhz in the 12ply. >>>>>>>>>That's simply impressive, what's the Shredder Eval at ply 12 ? >>>>>>>>>Does it see the win or consider it as a draw ? >>>>>>>>>I was already impressed by Shredder in London (WMCCC) where it found a narrow >>>>>>>>>escape against Nimzo thanks to (among all) its tactical power. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hi Frank,what about a little goody? Will i get your new version of ZChess? >>>>>>>>>You will find the last beta version of ZChess (Version 2.22) at : >>>>>>>>>http://myweb.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess/beta/zchess.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If you already have ZChess 2.0, you need only the following >>>>>>>>>(much smaller) file : >>>>>>>>>http://myweb.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess/beta/zchexe.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>This version appears to be between 60 and 80 elo point stronger then >>>>>>>>>ZChess 2.0 London. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Best Regards. >>>>>>>>The final evalution of Kamikaze Shredder on ply 12 is +1,14 for White. >>>>>>>>Thanks for ZChess 2.22, works fine under S5.Go on ZChess. >>>>>>>>Greetings Thomas >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think that the evaluations and the results of kamikaze shredder are not >>>>>>>interesting because I am sure that it is easy to generate weak personalities of >>>>>>>other chess programs that find the right move in this case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is more interesting to know how much time does shredder5 need to find the >>>>>>>right move. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>I don´t think so. Mabe Kamikaze Shredder plays stronger as Shredder 5. >>>>>>See Gambit Tiger and Tiger 13.0. I will play tournament games the next days if i >>>>>>can organize my time good. >>>>>>Thomas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I don't think you can compare Chess Tiger 13.0 + Gambit Tiger 1.0 with Shredder >>>>>5 + Kamikaze Shredder. >>>>> >>>>>Gambit Tiger 1.0 is a genuine and honest attempt to improve both the engine and >>>>>the playing strength, while Kamikaze Shredder is obviously a commercial attempt >>>>>to jump on the bandwagon. >>>> >>>>Is it? >>>> >>>>Stefan >>> >>> >>> >>>I wonder whose idea it is. Is it yours, or Weiner's? >> >>It was my idea. >> >>>BTW when I was looking for a name for what is now "Gambit Tiger", the name >>>"Kamikaze" came to my mind. I rejected it because Gambit Tiger is NOT a >>>kamikaze. It can play quietly when needed. >> >>You might be surprised, but there is also a Gambit Shredder on the Shredder5 CD, > > > >I'm not surprised. I already knew you have copied the name "Gambit". There was a "Kasparov Gambit" a couple of years ago :-) >>as well as a Shredder Bean Counter, a Shredder Brute Force, a Solid Shredder. >>All have different playing styles but have a similiar strength. You can use all >>simultaneously for analysis to get different view for a certain positions or use >>them together in the triple brain. >> >>What's your problem? > > > >I'm a little bit disappointed. You shouldn't be! Your Gambit is pretty good and successful. >After winning the W(M)CCC several times, I thought you would position yourself >as a leader and defend your own ideas, your own flag, your own name. Yes, the name of my program is Shredder. >Jumping in the bandwagon and sticking the name "Gambit" on one of your engines, >after Gambit Tiger won both the French and Dutch championship is not what I was >expecting from a leader. > >By doing so you position yourself as a follower. Please don't interpret do much into this story. >I know this is common commercial practice to play on the name confusion in order >to fool the customer. "Gambit Tiger" and "Gambit Shredder" sound so close that >it is indeed possible that some people buy your product thinking they are buying >mine. How many of them? 1%? 2%? Is it worth selling your soul? Come on Christophe. Do you really think that anybody will nix up our programs? There is no advertisement for a Gambit Shredder anywhere. After you have bought Shredder you can load an engine called Gambit Shredder. I chose the name because Gambit Shredder is more willing to sacrifice material than Shredder5, so he is more willing to play gambits. I found that's this is the perfect name for it. Kamikaze will do the same but sometimes too much, that's why I choose Kamikaze as a name. The same story for the other engines Solid Shredder, Shredder Bean Counter etc. My thing is just called Shredder5, there is no Gambit anywhere. >But in this case you could simply have produced an engine named "Deep Flu" or >something similar, and would probably attract more people. At least there are >several engines that are prefixed with "Deep" nowadays, so it sounds like >somebody else already jumped in this bandwagon. > > >What would you say if my colleague Ed produced an engine named "Shroeder" and >played on the confusion with the name of the engine that has won the last WMCCC? Do you believe that anybody would buy Rebel because of this? I don't. Stefan >Mmmhh... Maybe I could suggest that to Ed? ;) > >No, I know that, by principle, he would never do that. > > > > Christophe
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