Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 14:02:47 12/03/00
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On December 03, 2000 at 13:03:59, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >On December 03, 2000 at 12:14:56, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On December 03, 2000 at 06:22:37, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >> >>>On December 02, 2000 at 21:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On December 02, 2000 at 14:11:54, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 12:20:41, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 11:11:27, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 10:11:52, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 02, 2000 at 06:18:32, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 01, 2000 at 17:39:35, Franck ZIBI wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hello Thomas, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Yes Kamikaze Shredder needs 10Min.26sec. on my AMD K6-2+ 600Mhz in the 12ply. >>>>>>>>>>That's simply impressive, what's the Shredder Eval at ply 12 ? >>>>>>>>>>Does it see the win or consider it as a draw ? >>>>>>>>>>I was already impressed by Shredder in London (WMCCC) where it found a narrow >>>>>>>>>>escape against Nimzo thanks to (among all) its tactical power. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hi Frank,what about a little goody? Will i get your new version of ZChess? >>>>>>>>>>You will find the last beta version of ZChess (Version 2.22) at : >>>>>>>>>>http://myweb.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess/beta/zchess.zip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If you already have ZChess 2.0, you need only the following >>>>>>>>>>(much smaller) file : >>>>>>>>>>http://myweb.worldnet.net/~fzibi/zchess/beta/zchexe.zip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>This version appears to be between 60 and 80 elo point stronger then >>>>>>>>>>ZChess 2.0 London. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Best Regards. >>>>>>>>>The final evalution of Kamikaze Shredder on ply 12 is +1,14 for White. >>>>>>>>>Thanks for ZChess 2.22, works fine under S5.Go on ZChess. >>>>>>>>>Greetings Thomas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think that the evaluations and the results of kamikaze shredder are not >>>>>>>>interesting because I am sure that it is easy to generate weak personalities of >>>>>>>>other chess programs that find the right move in this case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is more interesting to know how much time does shredder5 need to find the >>>>>>>>right move. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>I don´t think so. Mabe Kamikaze Shredder plays stronger as Shredder 5. >>>>>>>See Gambit Tiger and Tiger 13.0. I will play tournament games the next days if i >>>>>>>can organize my time good. >>>>>>>Thomas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't think you can compare Chess Tiger 13.0 + Gambit Tiger 1.0 with Shredder >>>>>>5 + Kamikaze Shredder. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gambit Tiger 1.0 is a genuine and honest attempt to improve both the engine and >>>>>>the playing strength, while Kamikaze Shredder is obviously a commercial attempt >>>>>>to jump on the bandwagon. >>>>> >>>>>Is it? >>>>> >>>>>Stefan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I wonder whose idea it is. Is it yours, or Weiner's? >>> >>>It was my idea. >>> >>>>BTW when I was looking for a name for what is now "Gambit Tiger", the name >>>>"Kamikaze" came to my mind. I rejected it because Gambit Tiger is NOT a >>>>kamikaze. It can play quietly when needed. >>> >>>You might be surprised, but there is also a Gambit Shredder on the Shredder5 CD, >> >> >> >>I'm not surprised. I already knew you have copied the name "Gambit". > > >There was a "Kasparov Gambit" a couple of years ago :-) > > >>>as well as a Shredder Bean Counter, a Shredder Brute Force, a Solid Shredder. >>>All have different playing styles but have a similiar strength. You can use all >>>simultaneously for analysis to get different view for a certain positions or use >>>them together in the triple brain. >>> >>>What's your problem? >> >> >> >>I'm a little bit disappointed. > > >You shouldn't be! Your Gambit is pretty good and successful. > > >>After winning the W(M)CCC several times, I thought you would position yourself >>as a leader and defend your own ideas, your own flag, your own name. > > >Yes, the name of my program is Shredder. > > >>Jumping in the bandwagon and sticking the name "Gambit" on one of your engines, >>after Gambit Tiger won both the French and Dutch championship is not what I was >>expecting from a leader. >> >>By doing so you position yourself as a follower. > > >Please don't interpret do much into this story. > > >>I know this is common commercial practice to play on the name confusion in order >>to fool the customer. "Gambit Tiger" and "Gambit Shredder" sound so close that >>it is indeed possible that some people buy your product thinking they are buying >>mine. How many of them? 1%? 2%? Is it worth selling your soul? > > >Come on Christophe. Do you really think that anybody will nix up our programs? > >There is no advertisement for a Gambit Shredder anywhere. After you have bought >Shredder you can load an engine called Gambit Shredder. I chose the name because >Gambit Shredder is more willing to sacrifice material than Shredder5, so he is >more willing to play gambits. I found that's this is the perfect name for it. >Kamikaze will do the same but sometimes too much, that's why I choose Kamikaze >as a name. The same story for the other engines Solid Shredder, Shredder Bean >Counter etc. Prepare to be sued by Chris for the last one. Muah ha ha :-) bruce > >My thing is just called Shredder5, there is no Gambit anywhere. > > >>But in this case you could simply have produced an engine named "Deep Flu" or >>something similar, and would probably attract more people. At least there are >>several engines that are prefixed with "Deep" nowadays, so it sounds like >>somebody else already jumped in this bandwagon. >> >> >>What would you say if my colleague Ed produced an engine named "Shroeder" and >>played on the confusion with the name of the engine that has won the last WMCCC? > > >Do you believe that anybody would buy Rebel because of this? I don't. > >Stefan > > > >>Mmmhh... Maybe I could suggest that to Ed? ;) >> >>No, I know that, by principle, he would never do that. >> >> >> >> Christophe
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