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Subject: Re: I vote to Move All Off-topics to General Chess Forum

Author: Stephen A. Boak

Date: 06:29:44 12/04/00

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On December 04, 2000 at 05:51:11, stuart taylor wrote:

>On December 03, 2000 at 22:53:51, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On December 03, 2000 at 21:19:12, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>>
>>>On December 03, 2000 at 16:41:10, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 03, 2000 at 13:53:47, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I vote to move all off-topics to the General Chess Forum--rapidly, when detected
>>>>>by the moderators themselves or after a reader complaint.  This should be a
>>>>>simple solution (I hope).
>>>>>
>>>>>I think posters themselves should have the self-control to avoid off-topic
>>>>>posting in the Computer Chess forum.  Alas, they often do not.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then those who want attention on 'off-topics' may have it, in the general forum
>>>>>(which I virtually never read!).  The thread may languish at its leisure, die in
>>>>>relative obscurity, and not interfere with those who are studying or enjoying
>>>>>computer chess topics.
>>>>>
>>>>>How about it?
>>>>
>>>>What is that board for?  Everything that isn't for here?
>>>>
>>>>bruce
>>>
>>>Is your question real or rhetorical?
>>
>>>If real, don't ask me, ask Mr. Schwartz, the owner of the board.
>>
>>Beeeep wrong.
>>
>>>If rhetorical, okay here's my reply:  :)
>>
>>Correct.
>>
>>>You have two boards intended to keep certain types of postings segregated, due
>>>to topicality.
>>>
>>>The first board is intended only for topics specifically involving computer
>>>chess (specific emphasis on computer).
>>>
>>>The second board is intended for all other general chess topics that are
>>>non-computer in nature (emphasis on non-computer).
>>>
>>>Thus I believe an off-topic posting (having *nothing* to do with computer chess)
>>>on, say, elections, should be put in the more general forum (general chess
>>>forum) rather than the more specific forum (computer chess forum).  This
>>>reserves the forum with the more specific posting topic for the more specific
>>>posts.
>>
>>This makes no sense at all.
>>These are two specific forums for Chess one involving computers
>>the other not. Those are the subjects that should be posted.
>>No others.
>>
>>>If the moderators do not moderate to the extent of deleting off-topic posts (and
>>>that would be my preference, although as Bob says if an off-topic thread is
>>>short-lived it may often simply be ignored) , then they should at least move
>>>them to the non-specific forum where they interfere less with the nature of the
>>>specific forum (for computer chess!).
>>
>>The problem is the moderators are not consistant with either their
>>policy regarding deletion or the methods chosen.
>>
>>>However, if you must handle the threads in order to move them to the General
>>>Chess Forum, where the threads are also off-topic, then you might simply delete
>>>them, saving further inconvenience to the General Chess Forum readers who at
>>>least expect that board's postings to concern chess in general.
>>
>>You got it.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
> I'm against most deletions done by other than oneself. It can cause many
>upsets, and doesn't respect those who post.
>  But I do agree that everyone should keep on-topic, or very closely related.
> And the same goes for the general chess forum. It is seriously lacking however,
>in important chess matters. But it should NEVER be a trash can of anything.
> Stephen, what would you say about the off-topic and trash comments from General
>Chess forum being moved over here?
>S.Taylor

Aha!  Gotcha!   :)

If you object so strongly to *moving* an off-topic or trash comment from the
Computer Chess Forum to the General Chess Forum (and I agree, in fact), then why
allow such 'trash can' items to be posted (or remain posted) in the Computer
Chess Forum in the first place?

If they are so blatantly trash or off-topic that moving them to the General
Chess Forum would be unpalatable, then they absolutely should not be left in the
initial forum in the first place--they should be deleted!  That is my point.

I have a little bit of tongue in cheek humor (Bruce missed it, Sarah missed it)
behind my initial postings--based on the following conundrum:

1. What is the sense of having multiple forums, one for more specific topics
than the other, one for more general topics than the other, if the moderators do
not enforce the segregation rationale?

2. How could Point 1, above, even be a meaningful question (and thus my
suggestion in prior postings was meaningless, unfortunately), if it is rendered
moot by the failure to restrict off-topic postings in the more specialized forum
(the Computer Chess Forum)?

What a joke!--letting off-topic matters remain in a forum they don't belong
to--especially when they take up so much bandwidth (more than a single posting
and a couple of replies).

A third forum we should have is the off-topic forum, which is the big trash can
for deleted posts!

Moderators shouldn't hesitate to use it.  I'm not trying to make them police
every two cents tossed into a posting, but the blatant threads that are
completely off-topic should be quickly deleted, without a moments hesitation.

And, any hue and cry on such moderator action should be posted (else moved) to
the general chess forum, since the endless arguments that *may* result are not
themselves on the topic of computer chess.

This would make me a much, much happier reader of the computer chess forum.  I'm
sure I'm not alone in this.

--Steve  :)





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